Thanks you.Originally Posted by Hyde
Our Armed Forces finally made an overhaul of their website. While the info is still very outdated (No Mi-171s or Helsinki class listed, etc), the site no longer looks like it was made in the 90s, and the info on it will hopefully be updated soon.
It can also be viewed in english.
http://www.osrh.hr/default.asp
Yes, a much welcomed change altought I fear it would limit itelf to became another internal bullettin like the MORH one.
In every case I tried with the aid of my vocabulary to understood the literary meaning of croatian ranks and still I found somewhat confused.
First consideration: Croatian ranks seems to be focused on concepts of functional role and command autority.
Even in the lowest rank, we have not a soldier (One that earns the military wage) or even less a private (One that serve individually and command no one) but a Pozornik meaning [the one that call for alert (pozor)], so sentinel or even better watchmen can be an appropriate translation.
Consequently the corrispondent rank to private first class is a Razvodnik meaning usher, watchpost commander (so not a private at all).
Another peculiarity, that seem to conferm the focus about autority, is that in Croatian Army there is a rank insigna even for the Pozornik:
Last edited by fiorellabel; 12-31-2011 at 08:13 AM.
Sretna Nova! Happy New Year!
Hm hm. has the fact that new MoD was a soldier effected this year's article about presidents New Year address to our soldiers abroad
Check last year compared to this year
Much much shorter and without any identity of those who were talking with the Commander in chief
Perhaps Kotromanović wants to enhance the confidentiality of some data
But, on the other hand... he almost stands attention while officer reports to president
Still, aside from decision to return MoD seat back to town, we didn't hear much about future plans. Yet.
It seems it will begin to work very fast.
It seems also he would be back at work very fast.
http://www.morh.hr/hr/vijesti-najave...ca-na-hvu.html
Hope that with that the loooong pause for election and government change would be over.
I'm sorry to say this but what the hell are YOU talking about?!?!
In the period from '91-'98 there where different examples of M-84 produced/patched together from various parts, left from Yu or imported. But a series of 20 pcs. of M-84A4 was buit from scratch in ĐĐ. Components were built or imported. Those M-84A4 used the new FCS, and that goverment order was to be some 50 pcs. but was canceled. Conteract was signed in '99, lasted '01-'03. But it seems ĐĐ build some chassies and aguierd parts and they are stored now, partialy paid.
Degman is not a Vihor, it is a follow up (or down)! There was a single Vihor body that was left in Sr.(mated with M-84 turret). There were two cast Vihor turrets in ĐĐ. They were mated to a M-84 body to form first Degman prototypes. Later a welded turret was built for Degman,( if you bother to search look on ĐĐ website under "montaža", there is the picture). Degman ended just as a prototype program. What is most important in M-84D is that it is a complete overhaul of older M-84s, upgrade with things learned from Degman and use of some new equipment is a bonus.
All that stuff about producing a new tank type independently is impossible , well M-84, Degman etc, it just a T-72 with upgrades, and there are a lot of parts you can buy. Degman is even more easier to build in DD since it has wellded turret, but it's just a money issue, nothing more. Look, even if we built them in numbers, then what? To what units they should/could go to?
I'm not trying to lecture YOU here but be careful what you write and do YOUR research before you post such information here.
We built all the M-84A4s from scratch?! To build sth from scratch means to produce all the components on your own but you yourself said: "In the period from '91-'98 there where different examples of M-84 produced/patched together from various parts, left from Yu or imported". Immediatley after that you said. "But a series of 20 pcs. of M-84A4 was buit from scratch in ĐĐ. Components were built or imported." - you basically repeated the same thing, most parts had to be imported or were already present in the factory.
The M-84A4s were produced/patched together on the same basis as all the tanks produced from 1991 till 1998, but this time the tank had some improvements (FAC Omega) and the government signed a deal with the factory securing that all the tanks were produced on the same level, with strictly determined dead-lines of delivery etc., unlike the tanks which were assembled '91-'98 when every example was financed independently and delivered as soon as the parts became avilable (due to arms embargo, attacks on the factory, insecure financing...).
About the M-95 Degman - one prototype used the old chassis, the other used the left-behind turret, and we produced a single new turret but coupled it with an already existing body. So, basically, neither of the two prototypes were our own products. So what exactly did you correct in my post? And also, a true Degman version was to have the "Vihor" body and a new turret, this means that it is no longer just a T-72/M-84 upgrade.
Finally, we actually agreed on the same thing so I don't get it what exactly you wanted to correct in my post:
1) All the M-84s produced after 1991 used components either already existent or imported. (you said it also)
2) No further M-95 will ever be produced because the there is no money or need for them. (you said it also)
It seems mr.Orban has an offer for us:
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Ge...nes_to_Croatia
It could be a very good news if confirmed:
http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Ge...bian_Peninsula
Fresh pics of Mils in action
Some good news about fighter component:
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/hrvat...-clanak-366150
The journalist who wrote the article knows his stuff, and the article is very pro-fighters. Interestingly, it says that president Josipović, when he said that fighters won't be acquired, was misinformed by some of his staff (I wonder who) with bad and outright untruthful info. This by itself is a serious problem, it means that people hostile to Croatia advise our president.
However, in the meantime, Josipović was informed of the pro-fighter arguments and requested to see all offers. Maybe he'll see that EUR 2-3 billion for Eurofighters or Gripens means 2-3 billion invested in Croatia industry and econom, something we desperately need.
Very interesting also the panel with fly cost for hour.
Even if some data seems me grossly exagerated.
Last edited by fiorellabel; 01-15-2012 at 06:17 PM.
The Mig-29 cost per flight hour is ridiculously exaggerated, especially since only the new ones are available for purchase, which have a further reduced cost per flight hour of 2.5 times less than the old Mig-29s.
Yes, cost per flight hours are hugely overestimated. It seems they just converted $US to EUR without adjusting the actual figure, and EUR66,000 for Typhoon is ridiculous. I read that F-22A costs around $45,000 per hour, and that's the most advanced and complicated fighter in the world.
Last I read, Typhoon was $14,000 per hour, Gripen $3,000-4,500 and so on. It doesn't really matter, the important thing is that the people who will make the decision have the right info, and I sincerely hope they're not looking at our press for reliable data.
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