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    Another good news that I forgot to mention is that Kotromanović said that both he personally and the Government want to keep our fighter capability. The same statement is on MoD's website, so I guess that can be considered official policy.

    http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?I...F-68B8FE3A0EE2

    Keeping our fighters means that we'll probably acquire several MiG-21s from Ukraine and update them as well as extend the life of our operational jets. I wrote about that a few pages back. They'll then fly on for another decade or so when the economy will recover enough to acquire a substantial number of new fighters.

    I heard from a colleague that the Air Force wants at least 24 fighters, with 36 being optimal. This is due to Croatia having over twice as much airspace (113,680 square kilometers) as land area, and the complicated layout of the country itself. By comparison, Serbia has 88,361 square kilometers. Of course, those numbers are not possible in todays economical and, more so, political climate.

    SATNIK, I think they just got their as*es in gear and slowly started deploying VHS to Guards Brigades, hoepfully ballistic vests will come next. Until that is done, our troops will manage with the old woodland combat vests.

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ nice^^^^^^^^^^^
    -The first armed Patria BOV out of D.D. factory finally.
    [IMG]http://i39.*******.com/k1b72s.jpg[/IMG]
    Lets hope to see, as soon as possible, HV plates on them.
    And cross Our fingers to buy a few 40mm GMG for Protector RWS that would be at least a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SATNIK View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ nice^^^^^^^^^^^
    -The first armed Patria BOV out of D.D. factory finally.
    [IMG]http://i39.*******.com/k1b72s.jpg[/IMG]
    Lets hope to see, as soon as possible, HV plates on them.
    And cross Our fingers to buy a few 40mm GMG for Protector RWS that would be at least a good start.
    Unfortunately no. It is probably same vehicle we already seen in 2011 (picture below)


    [CENTER][*******#000000][FONT=Lucida Grande]At the factory's test site [/FONT][/COLOR][*******#000000][FONT=Lucida Grande]Kindrovo [/FONT][/COLOR][*******#000000][FONT=Lucida Grande]near Slavonski Brod, Kosor and her associates attended a practical demonstration of armored combat vehicle armored AMV 8X8[/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER]
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    Tvo things:
    saying that Croatia vould retain fighter capablities doesn't mean that it vould retain same fighter that actually as, only that it vould keep to have supersonic fighters in its ovn order of battle, so according to that they can also order other tipe of aircrafts.
    For vhat I have understood Patria was and would be delivered in the basic unarmed version to the army and would be upgraded directly on army location.
    Ones in picture are probably the used for trials in Slavonski Brod.
    74 patrias completed is quite a good number however.

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    No, there's no political will to order new fighters now, that's why additional MiG-21s will be acquired from Ukraine. Insider info, hope it doesn't change.

    The Air Force is playing it smart, they hope that in 10 years, the situation will recover enough to order new fighters, ideally 36 of them. They also hope to reactivate the underground facility at Split Airport in the next couple of years. and base another QRA flight there, because fighters from Pleso can't respond to a threat in southern Croatia on time.

    I wonder why none of those Patrias have been delivered to the Army. I guess they want to deliver all 126 in a single batch. Funny seeing them with civilian plates though. Almost seems like you could take them for a ride around town

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    According to wha reported by Maxo , they have been delivered, but in basic form and without armaments, so they would be upgraded directly in army depots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demostant View Post
    Unfortunately no. It is probably same vehicle we already seen in 2011 (picture below)

    This is not the same Patria, view rear , has a registration plate and a yellow light
    Last edited by maxo100; 01-22-2012 at 07:35 PM.

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    So far, the Army received 64 BOV Patria and stored them in a barracks in Petrinja, in the next few days we will take another 10 vehicles. These vehicles are accepted only for safekeeping, and not on operational use because it is a base vehicle with no built-in basic equipment. Members of the Guards Motorised Brigade who have completed training for instructors, mechanics and drivers will soon begin conditioning and maintenance. Thus, the 17 fully equipped combat vehicles with station 12.7 mm should be phased into a brigade to March this year, and are intended to equip the company for motorized EUBG II/2012. The Company would have to spend training and national certification in March, while in April the command of a platoon and company will be referred to the practice in Germany. In addition, it is estimated that one water company, and participate in MVV Immediate response in late May and early June, before the EUBG enters stand-by period of first July Given the brevity of time, and complexity of training, we asked that we be allocated for the training base vehicles that will return as soon as you arrive equipped vehicles EUBG.

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    Default Careful with translator!

    I think "water company" is a mistranslation for Lead company

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    http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/josip...-clanak-370086

    Ivo Josipovic, defence minister Ante Kotromanović and Chief of General Staff Lieutenant General Drago Lovric met at the "working lunch" with 14 former military and security officials in the light of announced changes in the defence law, as well for the analysis of the current state of the defense system and its strategic development, to exchange opinions, advices and views of a much wider "base" of professional people.

    Josipovic, with "think tanks" of this kind hodls important to develop a defense system of the country "out of politics."

    At the meeting were ministers, the heads of defence or their deputies, Petar Kriste, Martin Špegelj, Luka Bebić, Andrija Hebrang, Pavao Miljavac, Jozo Radoš, Željka Antunović, Antun Tus, Petar Stipetić, Imra Agotić, Josip Lucić, Višnja Tafra, Slavko Baric and Zlatko Gareljić.
    These meetings are expected to become traditional and will be held several times a year.

    Thumbs up for this, aside the fact that some of mentioned names have strayed into seat of defence minister during past two decades but there are also some retired army generals names that have weight in the field.
    With Tus and Agotić as Air Force officers and Špegelj, Stipetić, Miljavac as Army officers one can expect that advice will be:
    keep fighter component scrambling and able.

    If anyone here has that info - was there any thought how will OSRH Patria APC be called? We have polish Rosomak, slovene Svarun..
    with Kotromanović as minister probaly Pauk will be on the top of the list - in honor of legendary tank commander of 4th Guards Brg

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    Excellent, I hope MoD will give a more detailed report on the topics discussed and conclusions made.

    Regarding Patria AMV, I'm afraid they'll just keep calling them Patrias and no official name will ever be given. Or they'll call them something generic like MOV (Modularno oklopno vozilo, Croatian for AMV).

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    MILITARY INDUSTRY excellent business results

    Respected, successful Croatian companies in less than a month to produce and sell Russia the first five thousand helmets. "We are very pleased. End of last year for us was unexpectedly good. We got a very nice job with the Russian Federation, "said Šestan.


    Manufacturer of the best combat helmet in the world, the company Sestan-Busch from Prelog made last year, reveals the company's CEO, Alojz Šestan, excellent business results this year, but more importantly - quite unexpectedly for the famous factory and the entire domestic defense industry - the end of 2011th Suddenly they opened a completely new, large market for lucrative jobs.

    "We are very pleased. End of last year for us was unexpectedly good. We got a very nice job with the Russian Federation is why almost all our factory in December and work extended overtime, in order to time supplied helmets and meet contractual obligations, "exclusively revealed Alojz Šestan. According to him, something more than a month was enough to get into Prelog produced, tested and fully meet the urgent demand that is quite unexpected came from Russia. Intervention they delivered five thousand new combat helmet for the Russian police, but, more importantly, Sestan-Busch has announced time and their performance not only in Russian, but also to the markets of other countries of the former USSR.

    "It definitely is time for us to open new, large market. The Russian delegation will sign with us for next week's new cooperation agreements, with Russian partners, we agreed to be part of our production is organized in the Russian Federation, "said Alojz Šestan and adds that after a helmet and a part of their production lines to move to Russia, where the to establish a Croatian-Russian company. Šestan recalls that the Russian army and the police a great job of replacing combat helmets. "So far, the use of composite helmets from several manufacturers, but without false modesty, it was not even close to a quality product like ours. Because they want a part of our production is in Russia, as our company opens a very large business opportunities, "announces Šestan. Helmets will be in Russia to work towards the Croatian guide and the highest standards, but for the successful Croatian factories reveal that no shortage of work or in domestic production lines. Specifically, Sestan-Busch is just through new Russian partners managed to open the doors of some neighboring countries.

    »Via our new Russian partners have started negotiations with Kazakhstan, but their helmets for the needs of other countries in the Russian environment will be manufactured exclusively in Croatia," explains Alojz Šestan who is also vice president of Community producers of funds for specific purposes, the professional association of the Croatian Chamber of Commerce brings together the most important domestic producers of military equipment and weaponry. Stressing that the gathering of domestic military industry within the CCC one of the key actions for future joint presentation at foreign markets, Šestan emphasizes excellent cooperation with the Director of the industry, Zojom Crnečki. source also notes that on 3 to 6 May this year, in Astana, the Kazakh capital, to maintain fair and military equipment and weapons that will present their products and Croatian companies. "Our community will there be a promotional booth, and their capacity to present the Croatian Mine Action Centre. The goal is that our products meet and neighboring countries such as Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, "says Šestan and adds that he has information that some of the country concerned and for other Croatian military products including the renowned Croatian gun Karlovac of HS Produkt. If you realize all these wishes and plans, Croatian military industry could we have this year, so get out on a large new market in which the lives of over 300 million people.
    "The delegation from Kazakhstan will visit us here, but during the next month. Again, we will present to their show, and all this will be an opportunity for gaining new business for all Croatian producers, as in Kazakhstan already shown interest in our military hardware, "said Šestan. The factory in Prelog business was concluded the year at the results from 2010. which is very good if we consider the circumstances of the financial crisis.

    "Our major markets are traditionally and this time were Arab countries. Last year we worked hard for the United Arab Emirates, and this collaboration continues. Last year we sold them seven thousand of our helmets. This year we will deliver even more so, in preparing the contract for an additional 3000 of our products. So we in this business two years with the country round with the export of 17,000 helmets, "says Alojz Šestan. Factory order and with Saudi Arabia will soon also have to continue a business relationship. Specifically, it is this country so far been the largest single importer and buyer Croatian combat helmet. Exclusively from Sestan-Busch Saudi Arabia has so far bought 130,000 combat helmet, which is - to put it mildly - the operating result is worth every admiration. Excellent business contacts were made with Nigeria at last year's fair Eurosatory in Paris, a Šestan announce soon the finalization of deals with that country.

    Croatian military industry again, moreover, opens up the South American market and this year expect good jobs.

    http://www.vjesnik.hr/Article.aspx?I...B-4CF52528BB79

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    http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Hrvat...180-zaposlenih

    Kotromanović is first minister from new Croatian government that has announced reduces in human resources.
    In next 1-2 months it is expected about 180 employments to leave MORH, either with severance pay or to retirement.

    All mentioned are non-combat sector which is over-sized in Croatian Armed Forces - according to minister - slightly smaller in number than non-combat sector in Bundeswehr. Also, intention is to decrease number of generals.

    Also this is very positive thinking:
    This leading team in Croatian MOD concluded that more openness for the media and the public is necessary . It is already swapping ideas on special television productions, as well as establishing direct contact with people via social networks. Intention is, says Kotromanović and his colleagues, to bring the work of the army closer to ordinary people, and thus further promote the armed forces, which today are not enough media covered. Due to the hermetical system itself, and also because of difficult communication with journalists
    We can recall immediately after the war on Croatian national TV there was special broadcast Sons of the storms dedicated to OSRH (CAF).
    In last ten years, common remark was that MORH and OSRH are utterly inept for proactive marketing activities - even media campaign for new cadets had focus on free lodgings and food - instead of spirit of the corps etc. Some even said that all army is acting so covertly in regard of media like we are North Korea.

    If Kotromanović is to change this - he has my support.

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