Reply With QuoteSome old but good pics.........
Mikojan tnx for the info, to bad for that pic is not recent one, and for the count of 6-8 modernized tanks, ohhh wow that will be a great pic to see.Lets hope to see all the new tanks one day...
Mill H-229 in action.
156 soliders finished their specialist training in Infantry Regiment
Some old but good pics.........
Tribute to the recently closed down Pula Air Force Base and its 22nd Fighter Squadron.
Draft of Strategic Defense Review presented
A lot of changes, some good, some bad.
The draft is here:
http://www.morh.hr/index2.php?option...iew=book&id=12
The short version is this:
Army
Two Guards Brigade remain
Infantry Regiment will be transformed into Infantry Training Center
M-84s and M-80s to remain operational untill at least 2020
M-84s to be modernised after 2016
To be able to deploy a motorized battalion of Patria AMVs for 6 months on short notice
Navy
Coast Guard to have priority for the first half of the plan with building of patrol vessels as soon as possible.
Helsinki and Kralj class missile boats to remain in service
RBS-15s to be withdrawn from service and replaced with another missile system.
Marine Battalion will be disbanded.
To be able to deploy according to capabilities
Air Force
MiG-21s to remain in service for a limited time, to be replaced by a combat aircraft whos primary mission would be air policing.
Strategic transport capability will not be developed.
An-32s will be withdrawn from service and no replacements will be considered untill 2020.
Paratroop training and light transport capability will be created with acqusition of light transport aircraft.
Number of PC-9s will be reduced.
To be able to deploy 8 Mi-171s for mid-term and 4 helos for long term operations
General Staff
ELINT center and Military Intel Battalion will be merged into a battalion sized unit
All Military Police units will be transffered to a newly established unit subordinate to the General Staff.
Honor Guard Battalion and Special Operations Battalion will remain the same.
Cyberwarfare capability will be established in newly formed Center for Communications and Informations Systems, to be created by elements of Communications Regiment and MoD's Communications and IT service.
Armed Forces to be cut to 15,000 men.
Special Operations Battalion also conducted a demonstration exercise
More photos, from Jutarnji list:
[QUOTE=Hoverhind;6081897]A lot of changes, some good, some bad.
The draft is here:
http://www.morh.hr/index2.php?option...iew=book&id=12
What is exactly good changes in all of this?
Nice looking pics, thanks for sharing.
The fact that Guards brigades haven't been cut, the Navy will be getting new ships and missiles, and the Air Force is preparing to accomodate new fighters. Retiring An-32s and reducing number of PC-9s will lower expenses and allow some room for a new fighter, or a few more MiG-21s as stop-gap. Also, light transports, of which PC-12s have been mentioned, are also needed.
Yes.... but it says that the new anti-ship missiles will be "considered" after the retirement of the RBS-15 missiles, and judging by our political decisions so far.... these "substitute" systems might never arrive.
MoD SPO
Jeez what a retards
nice plan I mean this are my favorite ones:
This is a decision we have been waiting for HRZ :
Kad je riječ o Hrvatskome ratnom zrakoplovstvu (HRZ), u borbenoj upotrebi ostat će zrakoplovi MIG 21 do odluke o nabavi novih ili rabljenih zrakoplova ili o mogućem servisiranju tih zrakoplova.
When it comes to the Croatian Air Force (Air Farce), the use of combat will remain MiG 21 to the decision on procurement of new or used aircraft or on the possible servicing of aircraft.
NOT A THING This just great I dont now who gives them a salary for that, they should retire them self first.
"SPO navodi da se Hrvatska ne suočava ni sada ni u sagledivom razdoblju s prijetnjom izravne oružane agresije na svoj teritorij."
The SPO stated that Croatia is not facing any now or in the foreseeable future with the threat of direct armed aggression on its territory.
WoW NICE PLAN RETARDS.
"Težišni napori obrambenog sustava su sigurnost i učinkovitost OS RH u operacijama i misijama, puna integracija u NATO i EU, razvoj potrebnih i priuštivih sposobnosti i obrambena suradnja sa zemljama regije."
The major efforts of the defense system of the safety and effectiveness of Armed Forces in operations and missions, full integration into NATO and the EU, development of necessary and affordable capabilities and defense cooperation with the countries of the region.
ISUSE KRISTE. Lets again train together happy JNA family.
And new substitute misseles sistem will be maljutka who needs RBS now NOTO will fight for us..
SORRY BUT IM PISSED TO MUCH.
And the pics of training are so retarded that I dont have the words, now some one has bunch of G36 with out sights on them or what is the dill here.. ridiculous.
And nice sun glasses for Our top special forces..jeezz.the main thing is that the minister has a 5.11 Tactical.
Last edited by SATNIK; 03-15-2012 at 06:04 PM.
nice pics..
Satnik, potpis na ovo. Sign on this.Originally Posted by SATNIK
This is strategic defense review aiming to produce toothless expeditionary force posing to be Croatian Armed Forces but with what:
- air force focused on helicopter component for usage in abroad missions + flying firemen. If and when new fighters are procured those will be toothless just as army in general
- ground force also focused on abroad missions with obsolete IFVs and tanks whose upgrade will maybe take place in 4-5 years. Nuff said that our ground force has not obtained modern SAW, it ranges from PKT to Ultimaxall 20+ years old. Slovenian ground army is at the present more modern than ours.
- oh yes, toothless navy which has obviously lost any ambition to be dominant NATO force on eastern coast of Adriatic and Ionian sea. With RBS written off - don't anyone be holding his breath and waiting for new missiles (well that would be possible with some well contracted Grippen offset but honestly... those dimwits in charge of national defense are waaaay beneath such thinking)
- that material in almost every sentence speaks "allies this, allies that..." and talking about countries from region... whose armed forces (with exception of Serbia) are even in deeper s___ than ours
Well, like country like army. Croatia in last decade is gradually self-cancelling its statehood features and so are armed forces.
They've should rename OSRH to HRVCON and send them all abroad, then sell barracks and bases to some shopping mall.
Oh yeah, it smells like 1918. again, only instead of drunk geese we now have winged monkeys (Wizard of OZ style) flying thru fog...
We all wish for a SPO that states requirements for another 60-80 new MBTs, 2-3 corvettes, new fighters and attack helicopters, less missions and more homeland defense.
But we have to make do with what we've got, and this plan makes the best out of a bad situation. If MiGs are all we'll have for next 5 years and if the price for another 3-4 of them is An-32 withdrawl, then so be it. Same with cutting a few PC-9s.
RBS-15s will be replaced with new missiles. As SPO states, missile boats will continue to serve in conventional naval combat roles, something that can't be done with their 57mm guns, therefore missiles are a must. Otherwise they'd just be converted to patrol ships and new patrol ships wouldn't be needed. No doubt a few people tried to push that through, but luckily failed.
Ex-Yu cooperation is not the military's fault, but of our C-in-C and government. The military can't make them change their minds.
Personally, the demo is the best conducted and covered exercise of this type in years. The fact that the media decided to focus on real estate value of the base instead on our special forces is out of the military's hands. And ZF sights seem to fit VHSs pretty well. I'm glad that a new batch of rifles was ordered too.
Also, note that a new and critical capability will be introduced: Cyberwarfare.
An-32, no crying for them, instead there could be agreement wiht for example Slovenia in joint venture of transport aircraft.
Hardly new fighters will be MiG 21.
How do you expect that same people (no matter what party they're from) incapable of upgrading RBS-15 in full 20 years since their capture from JNA will be able to buy new ones? Document states big maybe regarding that.RBS-15s will be replaced with new missiles. As SPO states, missile boats will continue to serve in conventional naval combat roles, something that can't be done with their 57mm guns, therefore missiles are a must. Otherwise they'd just be converted to patrol ships and new patrol ships wouldn't be needed. No doubt a few people tried to push that through, but luckily failed.
Ex-YU cooperation is not a problem by itself. Problem starts when such cooperation is incorporated in national defense.Ex-Yu cooperation is not the military's fault, but of our C-in-C and government. The military can't make them change their minds.
Still many of you on this thread are die hard optimists - but reading Croatian forums where people that are more into system write - you can only see the deterioration of something that 15 years ago had potential to be a decent army.
Today - Croatia has no anti-aerial defense, no real navy, no real coast guard, no real transport air force, no submarine component, no real anti-tank systems, no real artillery. What is still left are aging M84 tanks and the state they're in is questionable.
Missions and future multinational battle-groups will be the only reason that OSRH still exists. They don't even try to hide it.
Of course - if future proofs me wrong - no one will be happier than me.
Till then I remain bitterly sceptical.
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