With current state, this kid if he joins the Army in some 20 years time most likely will be using the same howitzer..
A confirmation:also Croatian PATRIA AMV travel on normal streets with protector turret on.Originally Posted by Gvozdansko 1578.
More photos on preparations for today's OSRH program on Jarun Lake in Zagreb within the Armed Forces Day celebrations
A question: What exact mission configuration the first vehicle is?
Judging by the crane (it doesn't show well, but I saw the vehicle in person) its an engineering/ARV variant.
And what's wrong with this piece of equipment exactly? This howitzer is in use by numerous countries worldwide, even those that are considered superpowers when compared to us and will continue to serve for years to come. All D-30HR 122mm howitzers (36 roughly) in Croatian service have been modernized with new optical and aiming systems according to current NATO standards.With current state, this kid if he joins the Army in some 20 years time most likely will be using the same howitzer..
Yes, sometimes we are a little too pessimistic about future.
Main problem of croatian armed forces come actually from exterior i.e. dramatic economical crisis not only in Croatia but worlwide.
Profesionalization process went smootly, same with achieving Nato standard, juat now there was a significant increase of allocation for training and exercitations.
New ecquipments are obvioualy a problem, expecially for Army but this mainly because Air Force and Navy programs need actually the absolute priority
About military spending...
Found that...
https://bop.peostri.army.mil/sites/b...rm.aspx?ID=234
Closing date:
5/23/2012
Hope not a repost but quite awesome pic.
Great Pic !Hope not a repost but quite awesome pic.
Today that piece of equipment is still OK for Croatian Army.
(none of those countries still using this weapon with exception of Slovakia, Estonia and Croatia belong to NATO, most are third world countries + ex communist block of course)
In 20 years time this howitzer first designed in 1960s will nonetheless be antiquity and hopefully in that two decades we'll be able to buy something new.
And that some people in the OSRH are not so keen on the new proves this photo
Honor battalion performs ceremonial program with M70 instead VHS..
It's not enough that they're stuck with PAPovka but they have to market other Kragujevac products. Another photo, just for comparison.
On some Croatian forums, people that are within the system say many times that JNA mentality prevails even today among higher ranks, and obviously they are not so far from truth.
We don't need to sugar coat current state of the Army, it's not catastrophic, but it's far from good.
Last edited by Gvozdansko 1578.; 05-28-2012 at 04:46 PM.
With around 30% of the Ground Army's equipment being combat ready, the situation is catastrophic. However, rifles used by the honor guard are the least of our problems. FAMAS has been in service for 30 years, I'm sure VHS will be just as common in another 30 years. I'd rather see our combat units and soldiers abroad getting the new rifles first, and that seems to be slowly happening.
On a sidenote, PAP should and will remain the ceremonial weapon, much like M1 Garand and M14 are in US. Although, I would chrome-plate the metal parts, like on US Army's Drill Team Garands.
Immediate Response 2012
Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army take cover and return fire after encountering enemy contact as they conduct a movement tocontact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army take cover and return fire after encountering contact from the opposing force as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, gives direction after encountering contact from the opposing force as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, gives direction after encountering contact from the opposing force as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army return fire after encountering contact from the opposing force as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, takes cover in the grass while he provides security for his platoon as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
Soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, from the Croatian Army maneuver across a bridge as they conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, provides security as he and his platoon conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
Two Croatian soldiers from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, take cover and provide security as their platoon conducts a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A Croatian soldier from 1st Platoon, 1st Company, Tiger Battalion, dismounts from a Patria vehicle as he and his platoon begin to conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
A small fleet of Croatian Patria vehicles transport soldiers of the Croatian Land Forces to a training site as they prepare to conduct a movement to contact exercise during the Immediate Response 2012 (IR12) training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Tuesday, May 29, 2012.
Members of the Croatian army train members of the Montenegrin army on how to properly use the VHS attack rifle during the Immediate Response training event held in Slunj, Croatia on Friday, May 25, 2012.
Croatian Land Forces train with U.S. Opposing Force - Immediate Response 2012
Croatian Land Forces and U.S. Army Soldiers train together during Immediate Response 2012 training event being held in Slunj, Croatia. Immediate Response is a multinational tactical field exercise that involves more than 700 personnel from the U.S. Army Europe's 2nd Cavalry Regiment and Croatian land forces, with elements from Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, and Slovenia. Macedonia and Serbia have brought observers - 05.28.2012
The VHS sure looks nice in action !!
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