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    ^^^^
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    Awesome photos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Agathon View Post
    Pros:
    - this is not a purchase but donation though nothing is for free
    - safer option than non certain purchase of Falcons with two or three other countries
    - if this is transitional solution on the way towards Eurofighter in next decade - thumbs up
    - respectable arsenal of weaponry (if that is going to be donated)

    Cons:
    - planes are old, no doubt about that, but old saying goes: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
    - possible threat that inept politicians see this as long term solution

    Obviously their donation was not so donating after all

    In the end, better Phantom than nothing, and if that plane is still satisfying Japanese, South Korean, Greek and Turkish airforce, we could have it on Croatian skies for this decade.
    But not a day longer.
    I agree on the "better the phantoms then nothing" notion - I'm just curious about spare parts and maintenance work needed to keep those birds flying. Even if they come for free, theres a lot to spend on - the cost of crew and technician training, weapon costs, spares, etc.

    And about satisfaction - the F4 was, and still is an respectable plane, I have no doubts there. My problem with them is their age. Also, keep in mind that those air forces had them operational for quite a while and have and are familiar with all the necessities to keep them in the air.

    Anyway, aside from all that - no matter how things work out, I bet the pilots will be more then happy for this. The HRV is in dire need of "new" planes.

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    Thanks for the pictures guys Keep em coming!

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    Some Pictures I made two weeks ago when there was a training/ airshow next to Divulje base.
    I also have a video, but it's hard to see anything when the planes are over the airbase.
    For the first 20 minutes a Airtractor, a helicopter and a Canadair were picked up water and were emptying the tanks over the base.
    After this 5 Canadair and five Airtractors flew over the base and let it rain in one go.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Sousuke View Post
    I agree on the "better the phantoms then nothing" notion - I'm just curious about spare parts and maintenance work needed to keep those birds flying. Even if they come for free, theres a lot to spend on - the cost of crew and technician training, weapon costs, spares, etc.

    And about satisfaction - the F4 was, and still is an respectable plane, I have no doubts there. My problem with them is their age. Also, keep in mind that those air forces had them operational for quite a while and have and are familiar with all the necessities to keep them in the air.

    Anyway, aside from all that - no matter how things work out, I bet the pilots will be more then happy for this. The HRV is in dire need of "new" planes.
    I Agree with most part of both your opinions, for what I remember germans airplanes still have a quite consistent remaining lifetime, about 8-10 years after their dismissal from Luftwaffe.
    Problems would spring from maintenance, training, worktime needded to keep them operative.

    A great part of these cost would certainly grow as time go by and airplanes would getting older.
    Yet my main cons about is the sheer caracteristic of them: F4 are heavy fighters of same exact category of their successors F-15 and F-22, thus absolutely oversized for croatian needs (like a frigate for patrolling the Danube) and with the additional drawback to need a crew of two to operate.

    Well, I know that german version was somewhat shortened and downsized, more for enhance dogfighting performances than for cost reasons, but from pictures i have seen it is still HUGE beast , expecially if compared with tiny fishbed or gripen

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    Don't forget they use the same radar as the F-18's

    granted its not the perfect solution since it is pretty old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F_K View Post
    Some Pictures I made two weeks ago when there was a training/ airshow next to Divulje base.
    I also have a video, but it's hard to see anything when the planes are over the airbase.
    For the first 20 minutes a Airtractor, a helicopter and a Canadair were picked up water and were emptying the tanks over the base.
    After this 5 Canadair and five Airtractors flew over the base and let it rain in one go.










    Thanks for sharing !

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcellogo View Post
    I Agree with most part of both your opinions, for what I remember germans airplanes still have a quite consistent remaining lifetime, about 8-10 years after their dismissal from Luftwaffe.
    Problems would spring from maintenance, training, worktime needded to keep them operative.

    A great part of these cost would certainly grow as time go by and airplanes would getting older.
    Yet my main cons about is the sheer caracteristic of them: F4 are heavy fighters of same exact category of their successors F-15 and F-22, thus absolutely oversized for croatian needs (like a frigate for patrolling the Danube) and with the additional drawback to need a crew of two to operate.

    Well, I know that german version was somewhat shortened and downsized, more for enhance dogfighting performances than for cost reasons, but from pictures i have seen it is still HUGE beast , expecially if compared with tiny fishbed or gripen
    Not sucha a drawback if HRZ starts to feature female officers as seen in Richthofen :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8kjzkpR2M

    Plus, this as easy one day could be east Adriatic shoreline (outside the tourist season, )
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn3qh6X6SjU
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    how about we focus on what we do have and not what we could have. For example any news of our defense industry, or current modernization.

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    In many images of F-4f i've noted they actually carry IRIS-T as a standard IR weapon.
    Last edited by marcellogo; 07-04-2011 at 04:41 PM.

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    the guy on the right looks unprofessional.
    Firstly there are trip hazards the way he is positioned.
    Secondly he isn't using the correct lift procedures, which can result in back pain.

    The guy on the left is doing better but he also will have back pains later in life. He should use his legs to lift and not his back.

    Army or not, they are still at work and should take care of their Backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivi View Post
    how about we focus on what we do have and not what we could have. For example any news of our defense industry, or current modernization.
    Or current crime investigation

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