Thread: Croatian Military Pictures! - Read the first post carefully!

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    Looks like like Ante Kotromanović is indeed our new Minister of Defense, despite the fact that the president had certain reservations about him. Josipović, who is consulted on the choice of the Defense Minister, had only one objection: he doesn't like the fact that Kotromanović is a combat veteran. There you have it. Our leadership doesn't like soldiers being in charge of the military.

    Regarding our Air Force, it now seems that we will attempt to extend our MiGs' service life for another ten years. No idea how, but anything's better than shutting down our combat component.

    http://slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska...0/Default.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Well, nature hasn't really changed, has it?
    Nope, but the technology has. Today we are able to reproduce colors and patterns using much more advanced tools. Its rare to see "natural colors" in old camos

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    Old but still active... photos taken a few days back:

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    Criminal charges were pressed against captain Igor Trošelj and 1st Lieutenant Marijan Kudlika. They are charged with severe endagerment of public safety and, if convicted, can get up to 10 years in prison.

    http://www.jutarnji.hr/karlovac--pod...laskog/993966/

    After so much money and training has been invested in these men, who are a dying breed in Croatia anyway, someone will throw it all away instead of prosecuting those responsible for the criminal lack of flight hours our pilots get, which was the cause for lack of flight discipline leading to the accident.

    Personally, I think that at least one MiG could have been saved, but that's all water under the bridge. The injury to the old woman was unfortunate, but going out to pick corn in such proximity to a training and live fire range while listening to explosions and jets flying overhead was her choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoverhind View Post
    Criminal charges were pressed against captain Igor Trošelj and 1st Lieutenant Marijan Kudlika. They are charged with severe endagerment of public safety and, if convicted, can get up to 10 years in prison.

    http://www.jutarnji.hr/karlovac--pod...laskog/993966/

    After so much money and training has been invested in these men, who are a dying breed in Croatia anyway, someone will throw it all away instead of prosecuting those responsible for the criminal lack of flight hours our pilots get, which was the cause for lack of flight discipline leading to the accident.

    Personally, I think that at least one MiG could have been saved, but that's all water under the bridge. The injury to the old woman was unfortunate, but going out to pick corn in such proximity to a training and live fire range while listening to explosions and jets flying overhead was her choice.
    The dudes were flying against the pre-set route, didn't communicate to anybody that they will change course, and crashed into eachother. How is that not their fault? If you decide you'll change your course during a formation flight, wouldn't you want to tell the other people around you?
    The granny...really? Her fault for having a field next to the air base? I wonder how long she's been picking corn there, and how long the base has been there? That is a serious question. I don't know much about the Croatian military airports.

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    I'm a civlian pilot, and sometimes I forget to call in route change or close the flight plan. That happens very rarely when I fly regularly, but when I'm on the ground for even just 5 or 6 days in a row, chances are something will be overlooked. Now imagine flying an order of magnitude more complex, supersonic combat aircraft that is barely holding together and doing that with significantly less annual flight hours than an avarage civilian pilot gets. It's a miracle nothing similar happened earlier.

    BTW, the cardinal rule of any pilot is "aviate, navigate, comunicate". Meaning firstly you fly the aircraft, then you maintain an awareness of your position and only then you communicate. There's no use radioing your problem to someone sitting on the ground who can neither understand you nor help you.

    As I said, my only objection is that at least one MiG could've been saved.

    Eugen Kvaternik is a training ground. Pleso and Zemunik are the only Air Force Bases of the Croatian Air Force, in adittion to Udbina, which is under Special Forces control and not in regular use.

    The point is that there is no airbase anywhere near the training ground. That's not some airport or base, its a military area designated for the express purpouse of live fire training, and is one of the largest in Europe. It's been there since 1965. Things are meant to go boom all across it, and people living in the vicinity know it and don't go around strolling when there's an exercise on, especially one involving fighter jets.

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    Two MiG-21bisD on 24-hour alert photographed 3 days ago.

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    ENDING Pre-deployment training of the contingent for CROATIAN MVO ISAF in Afghanistan

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    They train with AKs but will use G36 in Afghanistan...

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    New VHS with integrated sight is coming
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    Interesting to see this uniform also..
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    nice..
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    Link on Croatian: http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/model...-clanak-357181

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    ^^^^

    I`m hoping to visit HS Produkt soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by zg18 View Post
    ^^^^

    I`m hoping to visit HS Produkt soon
    We are in DIRE NEEDS of information about current state of VHS program, so please, please, ask the more you can.

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    Default MiG-21s will stay

    It seems that due to a general lack of funds, our MiG-21s will be modernized again in order to fly for another 5-7 years.

    RSK MiG, Elbit, HAL and Aerostar are being considered for the overhaul. Elbit is offering a $2,5 million modernization program per plane, presumably to 21-2000 standard, while RSK is asking for $1,5 million per plane. It is unkown if the upgrade offered is 21-93 or 21-97.

    http://slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska...8/Default.aspx

    Personally, I would love to see our MiGs upgraded to 21-97, or Israeli 21-2000 as second best. There is also talk that additional 8-10 MiGs may be bought to give us a total of 16-18 operational fighters, a number the Air Force has stated is the bare minimum for operational effectivness.

    If done corretly, this upgrade may be a huge boost to our Air Force's combat capability, and more importantly, we won't lose our combat air force.

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    Those 8-10 MiGs are to be bought from Odessa in Ukraine. They are former Algerian AF fighters, which Ukraine took in exchange for MiG-29s and intended to sell them to Yemen, but Yemen backed out and the MiGs stayed in Ukraine. They were allegedly already inspected and could be delivered in very short time.

    Here's a photo of one of them:

    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6142/5...1029b017_o.jpg
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    It's really a shame when you consider with which quasi-solutions we agree now. From a country willing to buy new Gripens we soon got satisfied with second-hand F-16s than with uber old F-4Fs and now we are looking forward to another 5-7 years with venerable but deeply obsolete MiG-21s.

    A fleet of 16-18 fully modernized MiG-21s is not something to be joked with but considering what sums are being mentioned here (1,5 - 2,5 million USD) we will not get nor MiG-21-93, nor MiG-21-97 nor MiG-21-2000 variants because back in 1999/2000 Elbit requested 4-5 million dollars per aircraft (not to mention what inflation has done to this sum). If we decide to prolong the lives of our MiG-21s we will have to make do with old radars, old armament but new paint jobs because spending more money than mentioned here would be a complete waste of funds considering we will buy merely 5-7 years.

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    I disagree. As I wrote in my previous post, those sums are what the companies themselves are asking for. Keep in mind that a MiG-21 Bison was $3 million in 2000, today it is priced at 1.5 million. Prices have fallen dramatically.

    However, due to the nature of our political system and the fact that half of those running it can't stand Croatia being independent, I have to agree that some excuse will be found to only conduct the barest minimum of upgrades to comply with NATO standards.

    In best case scenario, we'll have 18 MiG-21-2000 in about a year, which will greatly outgun any potentially threat country in the region and give us air supremacy among ex-yu countries.

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