South African National Defence Force

[GETSOME]

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Nice pics,welcome.

[bravo_four]

Thanks dude I used to be sierra tango but then I lost my password...some more...

[wilhelm]

Further to my request for any pictures on the rare (2 prototypes) Ratel Logistics 8x8 vehicle, I found this image on my PC. I'm unsure where I got it from originally...but certainly the best pic of the Ratel Log I've seen.

[AtK]

Wilhelm, I'm sure one of the prototypes are displayed at either Fort Klapperkop or at the Voortrekker monument. Maybe someone can confirm.

[ingletonr]

Wilhelm, I'm sure one of the prototypes are displayed at either Fort Klapperkop or at the Voortrekker monument. Maybe someone can confirm.

There is one example at LMB Zwartkop. No idea where the other one would be.

[ingletonr]

I was given an advance screening by the producer Linda de Jager a few months ago of the Cuito and Ops Daisy episodes. Well balanced and with footage that will blow you guys away.

She has told me that once the show has finished airing she will look into having it released on DVD. She is also in discussions with Discovery about having the show translated and aired on either discovery or history.

I will keep you guys in the loop.

Hi TG - any news on this? I'm in New Zealand and can't get DSTV

[ingletonr]

I wonder what will happen to them?
Are they going to be sold?
Or would they go on display?

If they are sold, I highly doubt that an African country would be interested in purchasing them in any great numbers. They are an expensive aircraft to maintain.

[AtK]

There is one example at LMB Zwartkop. No idea where the other one would be.

Where at Swartkop?

[seadog73021]

Hi all on the forum,

I have just joined the forum and thought I should introduce myself. My service was in the SA Navy as a dog handler and then Marine (21 years) in the Navy reserve. My main interest at this stage is Warrant Officer rank badges of Southern Africa including UDF, SADF, Homelands and SADC countries. I will follow this up with photos of some of the badges. Some can be viewed at:
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/560958944guIcuF?vhost=home-and-garden. I am desperatly looking for the Sergeant Magor: Quartermaster General badge (1980-1999) if anyone can help.

[ingletonr]

Where at Swartkop?

The last time I saw it in 2005 it was parked on the a**** amongst the other old army vehicles ( in front of the SAAF Museum hangars).

I have seen from recent photos that some items have been moved around (the C160 is now inside a hangar) so it may or may not still be there.

[the_hog]

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Man, I'd love to see that. Someone please post any info or links if it does become available on Youtube or anywhere else.

Fairly early photo as the SAP were taken out of this area of ops, the R1 as well, although this rifle is still used by the SAP.

[wilhelm]

Some pages concerning the ZA-35 based on an a Rooikat chassis. From Armed Forces Nov 1991. The last picture shows the system based on a T-72 chassis. Apparently the Polish Loara metamorphisised from this derivative. There was also to be a missile derivative mounting the SAHV, from whence todays Umkhonto missile was born.

[Rudolph]

^^^

Thanks will read later.

[wilhelm]

Read this on

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...458&Itemid=241

Anybody know any more on this?

Upgrading Umkhonto: Denel is developing an all-weather version (dubbed AWSAM, all weather surface-to-air missile) fitted with a radar seeker and booster for the SA Army’s Ground-based air defence system (GBADS) as part of Projects Protector and Outcome. This would suggest the Umkhonto VLS (vertical launch system) can accommodate missiles capable of medium ranges and area defence (the current Umkhonto-IR is, by contrast, a short-range point-defence system.

Also, does anyone have any further info or drawings on the Rooikat missile version of the 35mm AD I posted above?

[wilhelm]

Found some more on the project from

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...191&Itemid=260

Denel improves AWSAM missile Written by Leon Engelbrecht Monday, 12 May 2008 The state arms company upgrades its Umkhonto air defence missile. Denel, the state-owned arms company, has conceptualised a family of missiles based on its Umkhonto short-range air defence (SHORAD) system.This development will likely earn SA billions more in foreign exchange in the applied IT field.
The Umkhonto is in service with the South African and Finnish navies and is on order for the Swedish Navy and the SA Army.
The SA Army is to acquire the system as part of Project Protector, an as yet uncosted programme to give the Air Defence Artillery (ADA) a capability it has never previously enjoyed.
The ADA is taking a very SHORAD (VSHORAD) system into service as part of the R801 million Project Guardian, also known as phase one of the Ground-based Air Defence System (GBADS).
Protector, or GBADS 2, will see the Army get an extra punch. “It is the same missile that is used by the SA Navy, it will just be land-based,” says Denel Dynamics air defence missiles executive manager Machiel Oberholzer.
“We have signed an order for the study phase on the launcher. We have already quoted similar systems to other areas in the world,” Oberholzer adds.
“It is a good concept, six missiles in an ISO-container that can be mounted on any type of vehicle, that has a 360-degree engagement capability and a high kill probability due to is large [23kg] warhead.”
Umkhonto`s IT systems are countermeasure-resistant and do not need line-of-sight to the target to fire, but use lock-on-after-launch. It is modular and, therefore, easy to integrate into the military`s command and communications architecture or C4IRS (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, reconnaissance and sensors).
Infrared boost
The current infrared-guided Umkhonto has a range of 12km. Oberholzer says this is being expanded as part of a pre-planned product improvement initiative. An extended-range infrared version is planned and will range up to 22km.
The company also plans to fit a radar seeker to Umkhonto to give the system the ability to shoot down aircraft and missiles in all weather conditions under the name AWSAM or all weather surface to air missile.
Oberholzer says the standard AWSAM will have a 20m range, while an extended range version fitted with a booster rocket (AWSAM-E) – will hit out up to 30km – which places it in the medium-range capability.
“This is the first time AWSAM is talked about,” Oberholzer says.
He adds that the advantage of such a family of missiles is that “you can have a cocktail of missiles in your launchers so you can engage with the most appropriate one to the threat. Infrared missiles are cheaper than radar and you don`t want to use an expensive missile to shoot down an easy target.”