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    based on Denel G6 selfpropelled howitzer?

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    No, Ratel IFV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfish6
    I've always wondered why the 1SSB had that name. How come they weren't called something like the 1 SA Armour Regiment or in line with one of the other armoured regiment names ("Regiment Mooi Rivier", etc)?

    Is 61 Mech Bn still around?
    1 Special Service Battalion was created during the depression in the 30's to provide employment for young men who were unemployed. At that point the permanant force consisted mainly of Infantry, armour only came into the SADF during the war years.

    I think 61 Mech is about to be disbanded

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    I remember reading the BBC article from a year ago how eight out of ten soldiers (or something like that) in today's SA military are HIV positive. A highly (d)effective force! ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordwind
    Still I would appreciate it if you would abstain from the mockery because these men and women who are in the SANDF are a step up from the people commiting the crime in the country. At least they have a job and trying to make a success of themselves. So just a little bit of respect for these people please. Thanks
    Respect is something that is earned and not issued with the browns! I can assure you I was not making a ''mockery'' of the force, just stating a simple fact. Interpret that in any which way you like.

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    Point well taken Flecha, it's a shame of what happened and who got the blame and yes it's true that when somebody knocks the SANDF they are labeled a racist or something of the sort, which most of the time is untrue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordwind
    On a brighter note, I might as well post pictures of a very capable fighting force in the SANDF, the Special Forces Brigade. These guys are in Monrovia, Liberia before a visit from SA president Thabo Mbeki.

    I see they still use the "old" BAT Mk 1. When will the Mk 2 be fielded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flecha
    Mmmmm...


    Have you ever visited S A? or lived there,
    yes. my uncle lives in Kwa-Zulu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flecha
    Please do not presume to ascribe motives to my actions, I posted some of my posts in Afrikaans as a courtesey to the Dutch members on this list, after they commented on the similarity between Afrikaans and Dutch.



    Like Byron you really show apalling ignorance in your statement, in fact the SADF was one of the first organisations in S A to start practising intergration, as far back as 1975 there were already fully integrated units in the Army fighting in the operational area, and these were NOT as you call them "special forces mainly consisting of merc/'professionals"


    In 1978 General Constand Viljoen attended a conference at Ou-Bos in the Cape, present were the entire Cabinet, and during his presentation he nailed his and the SADF's colours to the mast by bluntly telling all present that South Africa had to integrate like the SADF was already doing, in doing this he stated quite forcefully that he and his officers regarded it as immoral to expect a Black soldier to fight and die if he could not be treated as an equal in the SADF.

    Yet you state "The SADF had to enforce the Apartheid doctrines"

    Mmmmm...

    Indeed!

    By the way do you have any first hand knowledge about these "... special forces mainly consisting of of merc/'professionals" as you state, or are you basing your premise on bar room and GV stories? Please put your money where your mouth is and show me just one example where the SADF employed a Mercenary be it in whatever capacity.



    Again you show a true lack of knowledge , not every male had to serve after leaving school, you could get deferment if you went to university, and after finishing your degree you would have to do your National Service, if a person went down this road he was virtually guaranteed a commission , which in turn made his lot a somewhat happier one than those who only finished high school.

    If you were an immigrant (up to age 25 I think) you had a choice not to serve, however if you elected to do this, you would forfeit your permanent residence status. If you were an immigrant and serving, you could renounce your naturalised South African Citizenship at any time and you would be discharged fortwith, again you would forfeit your permanent residence status, as for the conscription and the SADF being "the bain(sp) " of your life, it begs the question,: "What are you doing on a forum like this ?"

    Apologies to the other members for this rant, but I really get somehat riled when people:

    A) Pontificate about matters they know Jack all about except for what they have lied and read about.

    B) Try to score cheap political shots

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    Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
    See below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Avenger
    Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
    See below.
    As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it. Only Allouette III's were armed in the form of MAG's, 20mm guns, .50 or .30 cal and unguided rockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Avenger
    Guys does anyone have pics of Oryx helicopters with operational armament (guns, rockets, missiles, the whole enchilada)? I only have prototype photos (Atlas XTP-1 Beta).
    See below.
    As far as I know this particular Oryx was the test platform for some of the systems being developed for the Rooivalk. I know one of the engineers that was on the project involved with the chin mounted gun, he showed me photos of this Oryx in the '80's.
    Our Oryx are generally no longer fitted with armament and are used in a liason/s&r/transport role.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironsight06
    As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it. Only Allouette III's were armed in the form of MAG's, 20mm guns, .50 or .30 cal and unguided rockets.
    Quite correct... we had some with door mounted armament but as this is removeable and usually not fitted in the present peacetime role for these choppers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironsight06
    As far as I know Puma or Oryx helicopters were never outfitted with weapons. Maybe there are some which have a door mounted MAG but that's it.
    Some Oryxes however have been modified into EW platforms SORJ and SOCJ. Any photos available of these versions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYRON
    yes. my uncle lives in Kwa-Zulu.
    My aplogies then, you obviously qualify as an expert on all things South African as a result of this somewhat distant connection !

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