I see that the Gecko can be used as a weapons carrier (MILAN, rockets, etc). Any good pics of such vehicles please?
The black troops today are as good, if not a lot better, than the previous generation. Look at the old SADF and look as some of the so-called elite units and who staffed them.
There is nothing wrong with the troops. To quote: "You don't get bad troops, only bad leadership". Troops only become a problem if they are allowed to.
It is rather a matter of political will, defined aims, quality control, etc.
And even though it was before my time, I think the erstwhile (SA)UDF (UnionDefForce) and SADF went through similar times (called the "Erasmus Years"). What does annoy me however is that the higher echelons are in denail in this regard.
I did my National Service in 1991/ 1992 at 21 SAI Lenasia and apart from the officer core the whole unit was black.
During 1991 the then SADF started with the integration of the historical freedom fighter military units into the SADF.
I kicked off with 50 recruits to my platoon and by mid 1992 when I left there were 32 fully trained and efficient infantrymen left in my platoon, they were trained in both COIN Urban and Rural warfare. I have worked with both whites and blacks in operational situation and to me there was very little difference between the them, the only difference could be marksmanship.
From 50 to 32:
3 X KIA (two was shot by corrupt riot control policemen and one by a gang)Training was reletively easy since most of them has undergone some sort of military training before, we brought a lot of structure and discipline to them which made them even more efficient in their respective roles.
5 X AIDS (accordingto some recent repots it remains the greatest threat to our armed forces)
8 X Fell off the wagon
2 X Deserters
There was a crminal element at the time which were involved in bank robberies etc. and I believe that those elements are responsible for the hi level of cash intransit hijacking we have in ZA.
There are a couple of problems in the SANDF:
Sick leave - According to sme report we hit a record low a couple of months ago wih more than 30% of the SANDF on sick leave
Fell of the wagon?!
I'm not sure if it's because of English that is not my native language, but what do you mean? These 8 guys died because they fell from the truck?
And 2 deserters! But, were they volunteers? If yes, why did they not simply left their job at the army?
Finally, 5 from AIDS,... wow, that really a lot. If it's like that in every unit, it's really a big threat to your manpower.
Fell off the wagon - Did not make the grade
Yes, they were volunteers, but they had a contract and most of the time they took their whole kit (incl. rifle) with them once they deserted.
I guess it was a way of getting something you needed
Yep, getting what you needed
while we are here chatting about the efficiency of the current crop of troops...what is the average age of the troopie in the SANDF at the moment anyone have any ideas?
Also those who served in the mid 1980s will agree that the level of discipline enjoyed during those times even though we were national servicemen far exceeds that of the current army, the CIT references serves to re-enforce this.
[*******black]Discipline is something totally different. Unfortunately it is a sad reflection on our society, not just the military. Look around you everywhere. Do you remember schools in the early 80's? Society in general. By late 80's discipline in the army was already more lax than before. It is now a big problem though, and, as I stated above, it is a matter of political will. Every new chief of the army/staff etc has the same story: "I will sort this problem out". And the result stays the same. Nothing done. A zero tolerance policy is however slowly being implemented (see comments re: exit strategy above), but this leads to many other problems as there is not a lot of scope for discretion. I don’t want all my rifleman to be sweet angels...they are soldiers after all.[/COLOR]
[*******black]We are however also now living in a human rights obsessed litigious society. Most of the stuff done in your day would land you in jail today. Add the whole race and *** issue to this as well (and not just black/white, but different tribes, groupings, sexes etc), and you can imagine the potential mess. It is not just the army that has changed, but society in general as well. However, no denying it, there are discipline problems, just don’t take the media too seriously. In the old days the army could do no wrong (regime press) or right (liberal press), you chose your newspaper for the version you wanted. Now it is simpler. The SANDF cannot do anything right. The media is mostly out to portray the SANDF as negatively as possible, despite a lot of positives mixed in with the negative.[/COLOR]
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There was a general attempt to "de-Anglicize" the SADF. Defence spending was cut, ranks were changed (most reverted to the old ones within a few years, except for Commandant- today Lt.Col. again), and attempts were made to marginalise some of the traditional "English" regiments (nevermind that a large percentage of their men were Afrikaans-speaking). Erasmus had a particular problem with the Imperial Light Horse who he wanted to disband totally. Eventually they were kept on as the Light Horse Regiment. Thankfully by the early 1960s common sense had returned to a large degree.