Reply With QuoteIt is not only in Israel or elsewhere in the world, that the Military Commanders and their animosity, result in negative impacts upon the course of war, but also Egypt was NO EXCEPTION
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
One important fact ...
Dr. HENRY KISSINGER, the US Secretary of State, is the real HERO of this war.
He had achieved for Israel, a lot more, with less blood , than what would had happened on the battle field.
I expect, that Israel , will post mortum HONORE him , which in fact ought
to happen, prior to his death.
May be a square , or a main street or a port or an Airport, will be named after him ...
He is and was ... THE CLEVER CHIEF DIPLOMAT of the second half of the 20th century
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
It is not only in Israel or elsewhere in the world, that the Military Commanders and their animosity, result in negative impacts upon the course of war, but also Egypt was NO EXCEPTION
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
Though, we find that such personal animosity or antipathy, would result in other positive impacts and create , a HISTORY CHANGING DEVELOPMENTS, as it had happend´as a result of the ISREALI BREAKTHROUGH , implemented by General Ariel Sharon and his troops , at Deversoir.
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
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The impact of such a Breakthrough, is evident
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
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The following documents (at the end of this text which will be the start of a new thread , shows, that the USA Inte. Services have failed to anticipate the Surprise Plan of War, set by Egypt for October 6th. 1973
Policy
William Burr, editor
October 7, 2003
Thirty years ago, on 6 October 1973 at 2:00 p.m. (Cairo time), Egyptian and Syrian forces launched coordinated attacks on Israeli forces in the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Known variously as the October War or the Yom Kippur War, this conflict lasted until late October when Washington and Moscow, working through the United Nations, forced a cease-fire on the warring parties. The October war had a fundamental impact on international relations not only by testing the durability of U.S.-Soviet détente but also by compelling the United States to put the Arab-Israeli conflict on the top of its foreign policy agenda. The threat of regional instability, energy crises, and superpower confrontation, made a U.S. hands-on role in the region inescapable. Since the fall of 1973, Washington has played a central role in the protracted, if checkered, effort to address the conflicting security and territorial objectives of Arabs and Israelis. Recently declassified U.S. archival material, unearthed by the National Security Archive, provides critically important information on American policies, perceptions, and decisions during the conflict.Significant scholarship on the October War, by such analysts as Richard Ned Lebow and Janice Gross Stein, William P. Quandt, and Kenneth W. Stein, among others, has explored key issues and developments, such as Egyptian and Syrian objectives, superpower relations with the belligerents, U.S. and Israeli intelligence failures, the role of Moscow and Washington in escalating and dampening the fighting, and the impact of such key personalities as Kissinger and Sadat. (Note 1)New archival records, routinely declassified under Executive Order 12958, from the State Department's central files and the Nixon Presidential Materials Project at the National Archives (College Park), illuminate these and related issues. Organized chronologically (with a few exceptions) more or less corresponding to the stages of the fighting, this briefing book provides some of the highlights of the declassified archival record. Published here for the first time are documents reflecting:
- the failure of U.S. intelligence to perceive the imminent threat of war; according to the State Department's intelligence chief, Ray Cline: "Our difficulty was partly that we were brainwashed by the Israelis, who brainwashed themselves." (document 63)
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Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
It was a game of cleverness, hide and run, deceive and surprise. More than any other previuos starit forward war .... not only in the Middle east , but also worldwide
This reminds me of the Japanese and their deceiving action against Pearl Harbour during WWII
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
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And , this was a main espionage clever role ....
The man is ASHRAF MARWAN ...., who was killed in London two years ago..
He simply LOST BALANCE from his balcony , at the 5th floor.
Who was behind that ... LEQUIDATION ...... ?????
We can only guess .... assume .... but never be sure
Dr. Yahia
And, this was ... and is .... THE END
PEACE ..... SHALOM ..... ســــلام SALAM .....
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
PS.
Due to the fact, that I do not know Hebrew and have no keyboard for the Hebbrew alphabet, I shall l try to find the Hebrew word and add it, in order to complete the sentence ... or may be someone can help and add it ...
But I found this Shalom song from an Israeli Site
http://www.israel-shalom.net/sounds/streisand.mp3
http://timothyministries.org/images/Shalom.jpg
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid25/images/nlc07458.12a.jpg
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid25/images/nlc07466.13a.jpg
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid25/images/nlc09867.2a.jpg
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid25/images/nlc10009.14a.jpg
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid25/images/nlc10017.36.jpg
Last edited by Yahia Al Shaer; 11-04-2009 at 09:37 AM.
A clarification: Kissinger only acted in the interests of the US. In the final outcome of the Yom Kippur War, it was in the US interest that Israel emerge militarily victorious (just as the it was in the Soviets interest that Egypt/Syria be victorious). So, US and Israeli interest coincided at the macro-level.Originally Posted by Yahia Al Shaer
However, there are those that argue that Kissinger wanted Israel to experience a degree of difficultly or pain, and delayed, for a short period of time, Nickel Grass. You will have to forgive my lack of a citation as I do not have the time to find it at the moment.
Thank you for posting these documents. It will take some time to read and digest them.
Last edited by GB_FXST; 11-04-2009 at 09:24 AM. Reason: Spelling
True, Israel even opened its missile silos to show Kissinger and Nixon that the Samson Option was seriously being considered.
It is OK ....
As mentioned always, we only learn from mistakes ... either ours , which is sometimes hard to accept or of others , which is a lot easier
Sure, these documents , ought to help us to understand the background of what had happened.
Though , we agree on your point of view, regarding Dr. Henry Kissinger, but I personally strongly beleive, that he is a Jewish Patriot ... regardless
of his nationality ..
He had delivered to Israel and its people a great great lot , and had contributed with his efforts, - regardless of other oppositions within the US Administartion, - that Isreal becomes a Military power in the Area ...
Of course, we must not forget the other military elements , which keep and breed this status.
Take your time, it is for absorbing the facts of history ... in a historical part of the world.
Dr Yahai Al Shaer
He is a Jewish American patriot, not an Israeli patriot. It is a terribly important distinction. Because otherwise, he would be in jeopardy of being an American traitor.
I agree with you , and beleive, that this was and IS STILL one of the most important factors, for the present status
Once again, this is now the THIRD THREAD, I am intending to tackle here
1 - The Israeli Breakthroug
2 - The Camp David Treaty and documents
3 - Dimona and the Israeli Nucular " Threat/ WMD " or whatever i this is called
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
OK ....
No problem ...
I mentioned before, that he is a Jewish Hero ... and he definately a histrical one ... who will enter the old Jewish history, from a broader
gate
Dr. Yahia Al Shaer
I can agree with that.
I believe that Israel's official position would be termed: Deterence based upon Nuclear Opacity.
The label "Israeli Nuclear Threat" is potentially loaded as it implies an aggresive intent.
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