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    Quote Originally Posted by kraf001
    you might wanna read a couple of pages back I was the second person to call Iranian media rubbish... but that doesn't make Western media any better...
    No, there is an important difference, the US government does not run CNN, or any other network. Religious leaders also cannot veto news stories, the president cannot ban canadian music, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussDill
    No, there is an important difference, the US government does not run CNN, or any other network. Religious leaders also cannot veto news stories, the president cannot ban canadian music, etc.
    exactly, you are serving my side of the argument... in Iran TV is openly saying that it follows state’s policies and is owned by that political party... so ppl know for a fact that if they want unbiased government related news pieces they should seek it elsewhere... Iranian state TV doesn't claim to be an independent news source nor it does claim to be the best place for international news...

    but Western news agencies do claim to be independent, fair, unbiased and the source for the best news...


    so which one do you think is worse? an uneducated man in some Afghan village who molests children or a priest that molests children?

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    Regardless of what Iran will do with nuclear energy, the tactics they use are bad. Also, the slogan "death to Israel..USA, RIDICULOUS. Religion will destroy that region further if they continue teaching this hatred to every new generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackRain

    Thats pretty pathetic, highly misleading title.
    What part of HUMAN CHAIN in that picture are you unable to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussDill
    So, you are saying, that hamas was going to use a suicide bomber to destroy the jeep, but the damn israeli's tied a palestinian boy to the jeep to prevent them...right. Do you realize how absurd you sound?
    He is not. however the Iraeli's have used this version of human shields to stop palestinians from throwing stones. It is a barbaric practice and they should be condemned for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussDill
    Are you really that dense? How much oil is Iran sitting on again, and they need nuclear power? And they won't allow international cooperation because....?
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    why use normal wood to heat my home when i can use old antique furniture.
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    Nuclear power is cheaper than oilfor generating electricity. so it is a very sensible idea for iran to start a powerplant and sell the oil instead. Especialy if the price of oli will rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camerashy
    Regardless of what Iran will do with nuclear energy, the tactics they use are bad. Also, the slogan "death to Israel..USA, RIDICULOUS. Religion will destroy that region further if they continue teaching this hatred to every new generation.
    argument could go both ways! it is sad reality BUT while Westerners enjoy the luxury of satellite dishes, internet and things as such to introduce themselves to Iranians (or the whole middle east in general) the way they want and actually have a chance to reach out to the younger generation, Iranians are destined to live with the big "terrorist" label on their forehead in most Westerners mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraf001
    argument could go both ways! it is sad reality BUT while Westerners enjoy the luxury of satellite dishes, internet and things as such to introduce themselves to Iranians (or the whole middle east in general) the way they want and actually have a chance to reach out to the younger generation, Iranians are destined to live with the big "terrorist" label on their forehead in most Westerners mind...
    Speaking of going both ways, so between the political rhetorics, when is your country ruling and religious elites are going to reach out to the younger generation about the label of Great Satan and blaming everything on the Zionists. Practice what you preach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViktorNavorski
    Speaking of going both ways, so between the political rhetorics, when is your country ruling and religious elites are going to reach out to the younger generation about the label of Great Satan and blaming everything on the Zionists. Practice what you preach.

    exactly my point... Iranian government has the tendency of blaming everything on Westerners... but that doesn't mean death to America is a conversation opener among the majority of ppl... you see if these statements were as loud as their echo in Western media you wouldn't have any problems seeing Iranian youth blowing themselves up in major Western cities by the dozen... we have 70 million population with most of them being under 30 yo... we have government sponsored international students in most major universities around the world... so it is not hard to materialize "death to America" slogans but it never happened... this is how ineffective these rhetoric are!

    the point I made was very simple, for example if you go back to post 9/11 America and the way Iranians were treated after that shows the public opinion towards Iranians in America... now you tell me out of 100 thousands of female Iranians in the US how many of them have you seen that cover their hair (Persian girls of LA are among the most famous hotties) forget about going to mosque... but those notions didn't mean anything and they were treated like any other Middle Eastern as a radical Muslim!! the image of an average Iranian in West is no different from an average Pakistani or Saudi and there is no chance for Iranians to change this...

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    Iran using Women and Children Human Shields Around Nuke Installations
    It is obvious people want these. So im my money, the headline s not true selected.

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    It is going to come down to those who support Iran's quest for nuclear weapons and those who don't.

    Those who support placing children around a nuclear plant and teaching them to hate at an early age.

    You don't see many civilized countries in the world these days where children are indoctrinated to shout "Death to Fill in the Blank".

    Uninen, that is an example of sad people. Shields or chain -- what's the difference? They are both standing in front of a military target to prevent it's destruction.

    Iran's propoganda is that they are using nuclear research for peaceful purposes. But, the United Nations IAEA states they are lying and Iran unsealed its Natanz uranium enrichment facility last week in defiance of the Paris Accord of November 2004, in which Iran promised to suspend nuclear activities.

    Can't get around that no matter how many children you use.

    Take a look at this brief Iranian military parade.

    http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/268...&htv=12&htv=12
    Last edited by BlackRain; 01-23-2006 at 08:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shire19
    Thats pretty pathetic, highly misleading title.
    What part of HUMAN CHAIN in that picture are you unable to see?
    you'll have to forgive BlackRain, he can be both a little slow and extreme at times...in fact he was actually banned from a republican forum for ranting against Rosa Parks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kraf001
    exactly my point... Iranian government has the tendency of blaming everything on Westerners... but that doesn't mean death to America is a conversation opener among the majority of ppl... you see if these statements were as loud as their echo in Western media you wouldn't have any problems seeing Iranian youth blowing themselves up in major Western cities by the dozen... we have 70 million population with most of them being under 30 yo... we have government sponsored international students in most major universities around the world... so it is not hard to materialize "death to America" slogans but it never happened... this is how ineffective these rhetoric are!
    All right, so let's assume you're right and that the government of Iran is separated from the People. The government is radical and the people are not. The government makes the destruction of Israel a national imperative, but the people just want to play X-box 360. I can agree with that, it's quite possible.

    So...which of the two groups will control this new nuclear weapon, once it's built? And who will determine when it is used, and where? Presumably the government will control it, right?

    Now, in a perfect world, the people would rise up and seize control of an out-of-control government that was on a path against civilization - but that's not what we see in Iran. What we see is complacency, and a resignation of individual responsibility. The people show no intention of reigning in their radical government, no outrage, no demonstrations etc. Instead, they appear to be joining hands and forming human shields around the nuclear facilities.

    So what is the rest of the world to do when a national government breaks international agreements, develops weapons of mass destruction, proclaims that it must destroy another nation etc.? Are we supposed to sit on our hands and do nothing? Are we supposed to wait and hope for the best? Do we wait for them to use the nuke, or use it as a blackmail device? Does that seem reasonable?

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    ...lets ask Neville Chamberlain .

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    uranium enrichment facility
    Is used to make fuel for the reactors to make electricity.......................... you cant actually just stick uranium ore into it you know?
    Low-enriched uranium (LEU)

    Low-enriched uranium (LEU) has a lower than 20% concentration of 235U.

    For use in commercial light water reactors (LWR), the most prevalent power reactors in the world, uranium is enriched to 3 to 5 percent 235U. It is not a direct bomb risk. LEU used in research reactors is usually enriched 12% to 19.75% U-235, the later concentration being used to replace HEU fuels when converting to LEU.
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    Slightly enriched uranium (SEU)

    Slightly enriched uranium (SEU) has a concentration of 235U between 0.9% and 2%.

    This new grade is being used to replace Natural uranium (NU) fuel in some heavy water reactors like the CANDU. Costs are lowered because less uranium and fewer bundles are needed to fuel the reactor. This in turn reduces the quantity of used fuel and its subsequent waste management costs.
    Also nobody else isnt actually claiming that Iranians are after a nuclear weapon other than right wing nazi folks in US and some populistic trash news agencys in the same place.............

    Also this is just a lie this whole topic, there is no "humanshields".

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