Reply With QuoteI stand corrected then. Never heard or seen this thing, even though it's obviously pre-2003... Is it officially labelled MSG2000?Originally Posted by darth vader
It sure does!
There is no such assault rifles like Polish "PMK" and "PMKM", this is a common Western mistake. The AK (i.e. AK47) is called "kbk AK" (both version AK and AKS have the same name), the AKM is "kbk AKM" and the AKMS is "kbk AKMS".
When AK was adopted in Poland in early 50s is was called "pmK" (pistolet maszynowy Kalasznikowa, Kalashnikov's submachine gun) but in mid 60s the name was changed to the "kbk AK" (karabinek AK, AK assault rifle), but the AKM was never called "pmKM" but "kbk AKMS"!
I stand corrected then. Never heard or seen this thing, even though it's obviously pre-2003... Is it officially labelled MSG2000?It sure does!
RK 62, official designation 7.62 RK 62 (RK=rynnäkkökivääri=assault rifle). The standard service rifle.
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoe...3&equipment=37
RK 95, official designation 7.62 RK 95 TP (TP=taittoperä=folding stock). Used by the special forces and other "spearhead troops".
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoe...3&equipment=38
TKIV 2000, official designation 8.6 TKIV 2000. The new sniper rifle of the FDF.
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoe...4&equipment=48
(note that the rifles in some of the photos are older TRG-22 version)
http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoe...3&equipment=42[/QUOTE]
"Well, most of those are just old prototypes or civilian rifles. I'll help you a little."
Actually NOT. Most of those are products of Valmet company from which FDF has adopted Valmet m/62 (tube stock, some folding), m/76 (tube stock, some folding) and m/92 (FDF designation RK95TP). Some other Valmet's models have been exported abroad, for example one AK clone for Qatar's sultan's lifeguard, but the primary client with the largest orders has been the FDF.
"KVKK 62, official designation 7.62 KVKK 62 (KVKK=kevyt konekivääri=light machine-gun), the standard LMG. Being replaced (atleast partially) by Russian PKM."
Won't get replaced for a long time. Still n + 10 jaeger and infantry units etc. etc. troops are equipped with them. There are still even some KvKk 54s (RPD) in issue reservation.
"note that the rifles in some of the photos are older TRG-22 version"
Ah, TRG-22 is a nice rifle. I personally like it more than -42 version. 7.62x51 is a fine round for regular sniper use.
Not the most trustworthy of sources, but here is atleast someone that claims that the KvKK is headed for retirement; http://www.mil.fi/ruotuvaki/index.ds...pid=22&aid=269 But of course the newly formed "Homeguard" units need something as well, maybe the KvKKs will be used by them. There were only 6 500 of them made and the production line closed a long time ago, and the oldest ones surely must be quite worn out.
Have you seen RPDs yourself being stored lately or is this just rumours? According to other rumours they were last seen in reservist use in the 1980s, and has since been gone. I doubt a very large number of them were bought to start with since they were primarily bought to equip some jaeger units, the same with the RK 54s by the way.
"NOT" what?
- M78 was never adopted by any military force in the world (correct me if i'm wrong), most of them were sold to the US as semi-only sports rifles
- M90 and RK93 (the "5.56 Rk 95") were both prototypes. The "M92" in the photo is just another M90.
That's good if it's true. RPD seems like a decent weapon. I wonder why they chose Czech ZB-26 as the basis of the KVKK and not the RPD.
Actually I meant TRG-41 but due to my "syntymähumala" I wrote TRG-22 for some reason. Fine weapons all.
Yes, it is heading for retirement but that doesn't happen in a day. They will get removed from the most important troop's inventory in X time but there will still remain infantry and other local troops units equipped with them for unknown time.
"Have you seen RPDs yourself being stored lately or is this just rumours?"
I have even shot with and even liked it. Number isn't big but some still remain in the back corner of the depot. Not in first line use though.
I wasnt suggesting that he / his friends dont have the copyright to their work, it is just that once you put it online people will get their hands on it and use or even abuse it to their own purposes. Also with different nations and their laws in one you have copyright in another right to copy so on.
Sounds interesting and i wouldnt know much about that but maybe Argyll will give me some hot tips if i ask him nicely?
The bs aside, i asked about the supposed East German "Stg 940" i really would love to learn / hear more about it.
"That's good if it's true. RPD seems like a decent weapon."
I have wondered sometime why it got replaced by the kvkk62. Not 100% sure but most propably the reason was traditional fashion to design own domestic weapons like earlier were designed m/31 smg and rifles from m/27 to m/39 instead of purchasing them from other country.
The same way is also followed by the most of other countries too as you can find out just looking at their weapon designs.
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The Stg 940 series was an East German effort to secure an Indian Army contract just before the WALL came down, but the Indian Army went with their own INSAS instead. As I understand, all the remaining guns gone to Turkey.
Last edited by darth vader; 01-26-2006 at 11:44 AM.
Not 100% sure, I have seen some web sites call it MSG36 or even SL8-2000, but I can't read most of the languages on these web sites any way.
That's not correct.
After the Wall came down, the german government felt embarassed about that former DDR weapons deal and export of those rifles to India was prohibited. Germany, as successor of the former DDR, had to pay several millions in contractual penalty to India because it didn't fulfill the deal. The manufacturer Wieger went out of business after that.
Most of those Stg 940 went into the shredder!
*Cough Some say that HK didn't want another military smallarms manufacturer in United Germany ....but they got hit themselves by the cancellation of the G11 and went down aswell *Cough
Yeah, get yo' copyrighted material stealing ass out of here!
Sorry for ruining it for all you non-Americans out there...not that you were missing much.
2 year ban for the f*cking thief.
Cool, so that's the whole story.That's not correct.
After the Wall came down, the german government felt embarassed about that former DDR weapons deal and export of those rifles to India was prohibited. Germany, as successor of the former DDR, had to pay several millions in contractual penalty to India because it didn't fulfill the deal. The manufacturer Wieger went out of business after that.
Most of those Stg 940 went into the shredder!
*Cough Some say that HK didn't want another military smallarms manufacturer in United Germany ....
I heard a couple sets of parts turn up in Turkey a few years ago, and they worth more than gold in weight.
So did Darth join right after the other guy was banned? Or is he just a good friend?
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