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    Schnelle Hienz! good picture!

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    Sorry I had to remove the pics. I didn't read the post about not using hot links to other websites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abhor
    Hmm. Im not sure were you got all of your information but to say that the 3rd totenkopf was an elite fighting group that rivals any allied division is blowing things way out of perportion. There is no record of the 3rd totenkopf ever doing anything that was of extraordinary merit. The only time they were a successful fighting force was when they were along side some of the more battle hardened divisions such as Das Reich, and Panzergrenadier-Division Großdeutschland. For example on the one occasion they were tasked with holding a town in the Demyansk Pocket, they were massacred the mighty third panzer-division totenkopf was brought to its knees and suffered such heavy losses it was reduced to a Kampfgruppe (company). Their battle-record speeks for itself. The 3rd should not have left dachau for combat but because of a deteriorated situation in the barbarosa campaign they were thrust into battle unprepared. lets try not to forget what totenkopf was originally tasked with, they deserve no glorification.
    This is utter nonsense. The totenkopf performed brilliantly in the demyansk pocket, fighting against staggering odds. Three Soviet Armies composed of 18 infantry divisions and three brigades were tied up for 4 months. The reason the russians didn't crush the demyansk pocket, were mainly because of the totenkopf - and yes, units of them were 'massacred' in combat, in the sense that whole companies fought to the last man....But they held the pocket! And a Kampfgruppe was not a 'company' sized unit - it could be anything up to a corps in size.

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    12. SS-Hitlerjugend prisoners in Normandy



    ...and this guy probably fell the stairs



    From:http://home.att.net/~SSPzHJ/Index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by InetWarrior
    Too late. Telling me that some Naziwarcriminals were "awesome" is clearly invitation to some flame war...
    SS as band of nazicriminals are some kind outlawed military formation. They pacify village and kill POW. Nothing to respect here.
    WWII German have many good soldiers but very small amount of heroes. To be a hero you need to fight for a good cause - you know. Ie German officers who were killed after failed attempt to kill Hitler are heroes...
    Wittman was good soldier serving Evil empire (simple american description) nothing great in him...
    This is completly matter of side.

    A hero to one is a terrorist to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG
    This is utter nonsense. The totenkopf performed brilliantly in the demyansk pocket, fighting against staggering odds. Three Soviet Armies composed of 18 infantry divisions and three brigades were tied up for 4 months. The reason the russians didn't crush the demyansk pocket, were mainly because of the totenkopf - and yes, units of them were 'massacred' in combat, in the sense that whole companies fought to the last man....But they held the pocket! And a Kampfgruppe was not a 'company' sized unit - it could be anything up to a corps in size.
    Totenkopf started badly as most of its men was former camp guards, but it fought better after it had first bought experience with blood.

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    not sure i like those comments turska..

    please dont start anything, this is a picture thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crassus

    ...and this guy probably fell the stairs



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    The 12 SS started the Normandy campaign by slaughtering Canadian POWs on the first day of their engagement; better a black eye than a bullet in the neck like those bastards did to the Canucks

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    WTF is the hammer?????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandenburger
    WTF is the hammer?????????????????
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Lebowski
    not sure i like those comments turska..

    please dont start anything, this is a picture thread
    Just pointing out that the world aint black and white.

    Btw. Why SS started to use camo on the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crassus
    12. SS-Hitlerjugend prisoners in Normandy



    ...and this guy probably fell the stairs



    From:http://home.att.net/~SSPzHJ/Index.html
    These lads just got burned by a stiff tall steaming cup of reality.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterG
    This is utter nonsense. The totenkopf performed brilliantly in the demyansk pocket, fighting against staggering odds. Three Soviet Armies composed of 18 infantry divisions and three brigades were tied up for 4 months. The reason the russians didn't crush the demyansk pocket, were mainly because of the totenkopf - and yes, units of them were 'massacred' in combat, in the sense that whole companies fought to the last man....But they held the pocket! And a Kampfgruppe was not a 'company' sized unit - it could be anything up to a corps in size.
    You make it sound as if it were 18 divisions against just the totenkopf. The numbers were 100000 thousand well trained and well armed german soldiers vs. 150000 soviet mixed forces most of which were ill equiped civilians recruited into the military with little training. Now lets see here what you are trying to tell me is that the totenkopf with all of their supperior training and equipment did well? huh wow, lets not confuse fanaticism with good soldiering. The 3rd's brothers in arms such as the 12th, 30th, 32nd, 123rd and 290th infantry divisions did quite well sustaining very few losses. While the totenkopf was utterly destroyed taking the brunt of all casualties due to bad leadership and inexperience. So next time you comment make sure you know what you are talking about. What the totenkopf showed in the demyansk pocket was a willingness to die nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandervahn
    How about some basic decency...

    Germany cares for her fallen, and that is unrelated as to whether Germans are proud of them or not; its a moral obligation.

    But with over 5 million dead soldiers from both World Wars there are simply too many graveyards to care for. Its an NGO that does this on behalf of the german people and government.
    x 2.
    During my time in the Bundeswehr we conscripts had the chance to volunteer to collect money for the "Kriegsgräberfürsorge" (the NGO Vandervahn mentioned, which cares for German war-graves) and there wasn't anyone who didn't volunteer for this service.

    @ gazook: I find it very (note: VERY) low to mock the fallen ones of the world wars no matter where they are from, the Allied or German/ Axis side.
    After all, most of the ones who died just fought for their country and to defend their families, even the "superhuman Germans" (as if most of the simple German soldiers thought this way), and not for some stupid political idea.
    But I guess in your self-rightous world such claims are perfectly justified (hey, have you heard how EVIL all of these EVIL Germans were in WW II (of course this is no racism, since this only happens on the EVIL side!)?).

    Yes, I am very biased since members of my family died in this horrible war on German side (not all of them were soldiers).
    And I know that not all SS-soldiers were Nazis since one of my grandfathers, who didn't care for politics at all, has told me how the SS tried to recuit him just because he was tall, blonde and blue-eyed, and for no other reason.
    Only a lucky coincidence (met my grandma (polish)) prevented him from joining the SS and therefore from being shot on the spot when he was captured in the Ukraine by the Soviets (not that he had survived if he hadn't fled from Soviet prisonship anyways).
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