Reply With QuoteAt an early stage the Totenkopf front units wore the typical SS skull on both collars, btw.
Heres an example pic:
There were Panzer troops is the Waffen SS, Heer (as some of the chaps above were pictured....those with skulls on each collar, as opposed to the 3rd SS who wore a distinctive skull only on their right collar, and rank on the left) and finally Luftwaffe Pz units.
Just cause it's black doesn't mean SS
At an early stage the Totenkopf front units wore the typical SS skull on both collars, btw.
Heres an example pic:
The same sort of confusion during WW2 led to the demise of some German takers who were mistaken for SS because of the collar skulls, and thus summarily executed.
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Ezy
My fault. I have thought that you speak that SS tank units are not Waffen SS and it different part of SS. Sorry!!!
Probably you are right. They simply (Wehrmacht) tankers (on photos)...
My info about... The official stamp tank units has inscription Waffen SS. Upon this official acknowledgement of an accessory of SS tank units to Waffen SS. My example - Michael Wittmann and Willi Hein. They have SS uniform and tank uniform. I know that in cap of Waffen SS tanker there was the skull and Wehrmacht's tanker had the "circle". And more. Buttonholes (on collar) - runes on the right and sign on the left. Different Epaulets. Signs Waffen SS always embroidered with threads. I did not see metal fleeces and skulls in buttonholes (on collar).
The black "working" uniform at tankers was for battle. The usual uniform of the simple (Wehrmacht) tankers was as at military men of Wehrmacht but with differed epaulets and signs. Tankers of Waffen SS have "working" tank's uniform and SS uniform.
German military have tank units in Waffen SS and in Wehrmacht....
What about all the Splinter pattern uniforms used by the Wehrmacht? Plus "tan and water" 1943 and 1944 varients? Practically every soldat was issued with a camo zeltbahn. Hermann Goering Division (later Corp) was issued with both the Luftwaffe varient of the splinter pattern and SS smocks.Originally Posted by americanwolf
The Brits airborne units used a camo smock. US Rangers in the initial stages of Overlord used the "duck-hunter" cams until they started taking casualties due to being mistaken for Waffen-SS.
With regards to the Pacific, practically every Marine that stepped on a Pacific island wore the "duck-hunter" cams.
Merrils Marauders didn't use an official pattern uniform, it was fatigues dyed jungle green and black.
Even units of the New Zealand army came up with their own design of uniform, jungle fatigues sprayed with dye (see below) for their Pacific campaigns.
Regards;
Ezy
All very true.
Lets also not forget the use of British "windproof" pattern camo smocks and trousers (in limited use,but issued garments nontheless) in the closing stages of the N.W.European campaign.
Also, let us not forget the introduction in 1929 by the Italians of the first camoflage shelter quarter.
I have to address a few earlier postings that cause a little confusion also.
In post #1005 you will see a few entries circled from a Wehrpass.
These entries do not correspond in any way to a tank crew.
SS Panzer Grenadier Ersatz Battalion 10, Stammkompanie.
(SS Armoured Infantry Replacement Battalion 10, Staff Company)
His next posting was to:
SS Panzer Grenadier Ausbildung Battalion 10.
(SS Armoured Infantry Training Battalion 10)
I use the term "armoured infantry" as a literal English translation.
As you are no doubt aware, infantry transported into and from battle in half-tracks do not make them tank crew...
His final military posting has even less to do with tanks...he spends his final days as a member of the guard battalion at the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp as part of the Totenkopfverbande.
Just added in the interests of historical clarity.
Last edited by STuG; 09-19-2007 at 03:37 PM. Reason: Spacing!
Thanks! Interesting correction and addition!
Stamp on the letter:
SS Pz Gren Ausb u Ers Btl 10 (Panzer Grenadier Ausbildungs und Ersatz Bataillon 10)
mean in English - SS Armored Infantry Training and Replacement Battalion 10.
Pushkin town, Leningrad (Saint-Petersburg) region, Russia 1941-1945.... Aleksandrov palace...
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And...
More photos...
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Motorcycle.
The Order for the Ukrainian population on an occupied territory.
The notice on death.
and....
"dog tab"
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