Waffen SS troops

[Zeev]

so no country can get any respect, because in the history is a lot of Crimes.

And not only in the history, i look in the news and see:

"A 12-year-old girl was killed Saturday evening by Israel Defense Forces sniper fire in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanun"

So the IDF is an Instrument of Israel ... and IDF is IDF (i dont hate Israel)

I dont say that the SS are angles but you cant say that the SS is SS, there is a lot of propaganda out there ... so its hard to say what is correct and what is lie

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

[heinz89ksk]

No, I'm not an American.

But what does my nationality have to do with what I posted?

because you say he cant to be proud, only his relationship, father, grandpa ... whatever, had wear a ss uniform ... that not conneted that he is a criminal.

So if you are a US american, i would say you, that you cant be proud to, or can you say me where are all the natives? how many lifes still?

Germany can be proud to, if the others country can

The crimes had his maximum level from 1939 to 1945 with Nazi Germany (and UDSSR) that was industrial killing, unprecedented. In the time before that was only a pre-stage, like human are, they are trying to get higher and higher, and hitler has it overdone.

I hope that in the world history that never happend again

[Zeev]

It's not the problem of the country here - it's the SS organization that was criminal, as a whole. German SS, French SS, Dutch SS, the whole lot of them, they belonged to a crimininal organization

The SS was SS. It's okay to study them, as they were part of our history, even if they mostly haunted its darkest pages. But the whole "let's not get political" thing...you can't do that with men who were the armed branch of a political organization..

I cannot agree more, no one here said that as an exemple, whermacht soldiers didn't deserve respect ( even if they were a full part of the nazi germany war machine), but as atlantic friend said, SS cannot be put on the same line, for obvious reasons.

So yes, sharing documents and study them is ok, its history, a fact.

but any tentative of rehabilitation of ANY SS UNIT is a mark of sympathy toward them, and it is also a kind of revisionim, and I hope that mods will do the necessary if that happens in the future of this thread.

[heinz89ksk]

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

oh i forget to swich on the sarcasm button

[Zeev]

oh i forget to swich on the sarcasm button

Nothing in your post showed any kind of sarcasm.

In the future, choose better comparaisons, this "I'll try to hit where it hurts" was of a very bad taste, and insulting for israeli members here.

[Mackie]

comparing IDF possible isolated crimes to nazi mass scale murders; cleverer and cleverer.

I don't agree with Heinz89ksks post but what he means is that the SS wasn't only a bunch of criminals. Even in 1942 my grand-uncle was forced to join the SS troops, then deserted in 1943 and went to the underground till 1945.
If they had found him --> headshot

[heinz89ksk]

I cannot agree more, no one here said that as an exemple, whermacht soldiers didn't deserve respect ( even if they were a full part of the nazi germany war machine), but as atlantic friend said, SS cannot be put on the same line, for obvous reasons.

So yes, sharing documents and study them is ok, its history, a fact.

but any tentative of rehabilitation of ALL SS is a mark of sympathy toward them, and it is also a kind of revisionim, and I hope that mods will do the necessary if that happens in the future of this thread.

The exception proves the rule, i only will say that not all SS are bad, i give you right the nazi germany was the worst country ever, but there is a time before and after.

[Zeev]

I don't agree with Heinz89ksks post but what he means is that the SS wasn't only a bunch of criminals. Even in 1942 my grand-uncle was forced to join the SS troops, then deserted in 1943 and went to the underground till 1945.
If they had found him --> headshot

All SS members were maybe not all criminals, but they all belonged to a criminal organisation.

[Mackie]

But as I see revisionism is strong among some german members of MP.net.

You are an idiot.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...17#post4306517

[heinz89ksk]

Nothing in your post showed any kind of sarcasm.

In the future, choose better comparaisons, this "I'll try to hit were it hurts" was of a very bad taste, and insulting for israeli members here.

my english are not good, so its hard to me, to write my mind in words

[Stormz_STA]

because you say he cant to be proud, only his relationship, father, grandpa ... whatever, had wear a ss uniform ... that not conneted that he is a criminal.

I didn't say one of his relatives was a criminal. But he was a member of an organization which is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against humanity.

So if you are a US american, i would say you, that you cant be proud to, or can you say me where are all the natives? how many lifes still?

So you're comparing German war crimes from WWII to conflict between american military and Native Americans in the 19th century? Incomparable.

Germany can be proud to, if the others country can

Yes, Germans can be proud of a lot of different things but certainly none of them happend from 1933 to 1945.

I hope that in the world history that never happend again

Amen to that!

[heinz89ksk]

All SS members were maybe not all criminals, but they all belonged to a criminal organisation.

that is right, it was a criminal organisation

one of my relationship have to go to the SS, after a time he hide in the stack of the house of his family, and died because he get pneumonia

[Stormz_STA]

You are an idiot.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...17#post4306517

So Mackie, you called me an idiot and posted a link to some other thread that has no relevance to this discussion? Are you sure it's not you who is an idiot?

[Mike Kilo]

SS are SS, all units were tools of nazi reich, they all participate to the common nazi criminal enterprise.

They didn't deserve the term of "soldiers" or any kind of respect or honours, they only deserve an historical interest.

C´mon Zeev, tell us something new. I´m tired of reading posts like yours.

[heinz89ksk]

I didn't say one of his relatives was a criminal. But he was a member of an organization which is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against humanity.



So you're comparing German war crimes from WWII to conflict between american military and Native Americans in the 19th century? Incomparable.



Yes, Germans can be proud of a lot of different things but certainly none of them happend from 1933 to 1945.


Amen to that!

so we cant to be proud of that time, but the world uses a lot of things that germany made in this time ...