but the good news is, we are buying the KILO'sOriginally Posted by Aghost
Not so fast Karbol.... it will only be ONE Kilo-class sub.... Menhan also said a few days ago that it may not be the Kilo either as Dephan is also considering the South Korean and German offers....but the good news is, we are buying the KILO's
First Anoa prototype called Panser Type 0 (zero) used Steyr Puch 260 hp engine rated below Renault which has 320 hp. But 320 hp diesel engine is not hard to get. There are so many Japan and European civilian truck using the same rate engine, Scania and Mitsubishi Fuso (trintin).
I don't think engine is the issue.
Juwono said the Anoa price is Rp 12 bio a piece? Higher than French VAB. TNI AD bought retrofitted VAB US$ 700 k or euro 550 k in 2007 to deploy in Lebanon. If they were new, I think the price will not exceed US$ 800 k.
Did the Anoa development cost was so high so it need sale of 150 Anoa to make it cheaper than foreign product?
but i'm pretty sure that the Navy will get KILO... the Navy Chief always said, he don't want 'anjing kampung'.Not so fast Karbol.... it will only be ONE Kilo-class sub.... Menhan also said a few days ago that it may not be the Kilo either as Dephan is also considering the South Korean and German offers....
even if there is only one Kilo, it will be great...
Two Air Force jets receive missile lock-on threat in South Sulawesi
The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 02/20/2009 2:39 PM | National
Two of the Air Force's newly procured Sukhoi SU-30 jets received unknown missile lock-on threats while practicing an air interception scenario in air space around South Sulawesi on Friday morning.
Sultan Hasnuddin Air Force base commander First Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said there was a pilot and a Russian instructor onboard each jet during the practice when their warning system indicated that missiles might have been about to be fired at them.
“I received the report at 09:00 a.m. local time (08:00 Jakarta time),” he said as quoted by kompas.com.
Dunia said both jets were flying at 5,000 above sea level when they registered the threat.
“We haven't figured out who send the threat. We have sent a surveillance plane to comb a 370 kilometer radius area around the Makassar radio navigation ground station, but it has been to no avail,” he said.
Dunia said that he had confirmed that there was no report of foreign aircraft asking any permission to enter the airspace. (dre)
link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-sulawesi.html
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my info said the threat came from sea/land... anyone have more info?
I really dont think it will be the Kilo. Previously, the talk was that if it is Russian, it would be the Amur class.but i'm pretty sure that the Navy will get KILO... the Navy Chief always said, he don't want 'anjing kampung'.
even if there is only one Kilo, it will be great...
But I personally think it is more likely to be the Type 209. Why? Because the TNI AL already have 2 Type 209. It would make better sense. Karbol, do you think CAKRA and NANGGALA are anjing kampung?
Guys Indonesia sky was so wide and open, I remember in 1999 when the East Timor was freed from Indonesia, the Australian jet fighter (F-18) enter the Indonesia territory near Kupang so often and the patrolling fighter (Hawk 100) couldn't chase them, even it look like they mock the Indonesian fighter, and finally it made the authority angry and give instruction to shoot them down if they could. Or incident near Bawean in 2003 when the US fighter F-18 lock the TNI AU F-16, whereas they only ask the identity to those fighter due to their flight disrupt the commercial aviation, once again this incident scorning the Indonesia Air force.Two Air Force jets receive missile lock-on threat in South Sulawesi
The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Fri, 02/20/2009 2:39 PM | National
Two of the Air Force's newly procured Sukhoi SU-30 jets received unknown missile lock-on threats while practicing an air interception scenario in air space around South Sulawesi on Friday morning.
Sultan Hasnuddin Air Force base commander First Marshall Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said there was a pilot and a Russian instructor onboard each jet during the practice when their warning system indicated that missiles might have been about to be fired at them.
“I received the report at 09:00 a.m. local time (08:00 Jakarta time),” he said as quoted by kompas.com.
Dunia said both jets were flying at 5,000 above sea level when they registered the threat.
“We haven't figured out who send the threat. We have sent a surveillance plane to comb a 370 kilometer radius area around the Makassar radio navigation ground station, but it has been to no avail,” he said.
Dunia said that he had confirmed that there was no report of foreign aircraft asking any permission to enter the airspace. (dre)
link: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-sulawesi.html
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my info said the threat came from sea/land... anyone have more info?
Now it's happen again, the brand new Sukhoi was locked by unidentified threat, and those new Sukhoi didn't have armament at all. I think Indonesia government should add more radar station and surveillance plane or maybe this incident will bring the house of representative member senses and they will approve to add more fighter and armament.
Furthermore you don't know how many submarine have enter your teritory guys he..he..
Historically, missile-warning systems have had high false-alarm rates especially without the 'solar' filter for UV missile warning counter measure. Being deployed in the Equatorial area, TNI-AU probably will see more false detections. In Iraq, USAF C-130s encounter many false lock on warnings during descending upon urban area from urban UV reflection (even an acetylene torch can set off lock warning).
Whether it's false warning or not, it's interesting how TNI AU reacted this way. It somewhat shows how much blind spot they have within the border itself.
maybe there's someone wanted to test the TNI-AU SU30 electronics and aviation systems... same happened when RMAF receiving their new SU30MKM. during the Independence Day Celebration on 2007 there are several reports on someone or something are trying to test or spying RMAF SU30MKM systems...
Bump...
Couple picts to complement the previous KRI Krait
Some other TNI patrol ships
KRI Ahmad Yani..
KRI Fatahilah...
KRI Mandau & KRI Layang
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Any News about "Wajib Militer" from people representative....?
not me... the Navy chief does...
thx for info....Historically, missile-warning systems have had high false-alarm rates especially without the 'solar' filter for UV missile warning counter measure. Being deployed in the Equatorial area, TNI-AU probably will see more false detections. In Iraq, USAF C-130s encounter many false lock on warnings during descending upon urban area from urban UV reflection (even an acetylene torch can set off lock warning).
Whether it's false warning or not, it's interesting how TNI AU reacted this way. It somewhat shows how much blind spot they have within the border itself.
this is interesting...
some
sadly codition on museum Satria Mandala
TRIKORA 1962...
Brief history of West Papua Operation by TRI
1950 6 TRI recon troops landed at Sansapor on the north coast, they were quickly arrested by the locals.
Jan 1952 Boat landing on West New Guinea's Gag Island, the New York Times reports Dutch saying 43 TRI regulars were arrested by local police, though other references say 28 men; the Indonesian men are quickly spotted and arrested. Most were surprised that the locals were loyal to the Dutch.
May 1953 17 detachment from Sulawesi units landed near Fakfak along with a Papuan guide; The party was intercepted by the Dutch Marines. The leading sergeant and two others were killed before others were arrested and sentenced to one to six year in prison.
Oct 1953 21 armed militia from the 25th TRI Regiment trained in guerrilla warfare and another 21 locals recruited from Aru Island entered Etna Bay flying a Dutch flag and proceeded inland. Intercepted by Dutch Marines, four were shot, five killed by Papuan natives, and twenty eight arrested during first two months. Eventualy eleven died and the others were sentenced to four years before being returned to Indonesia.
9 Nov 1960 10 deserters from the "Pasukan Gerilya 100" with 23 insurgents were arrested. Local Papuans reported armed Javanese troops along the Southern coast; A total of 16 were captured and 7 were killed during the next four months.
14 Sep 1961 "Pasukan Gerilya 200" unit lands 32 insurgents with mortar, grenades and Lee Enfield rifles near Sorong; quickly spotted by local Papuans 29 were captured, 2 shot, and one believed eaten by crocodiles during three months attempting to evade capture.
15 Jan 1962 "Pasukan Gerilya 300" leaves Jakarta with 115 insurgents on four Jaguar class torpedo boats, three boats reached the Aru Sea where two Dutch destroyers pursued them and sunk the lead boat with Commodore Yos Sudarso. 51 survivors were picked up, detained until March and with UN mandated repatiation back to Java.
Mar 1962 A Pasukan Gerilya 300 unit using motorised canoes take cover on Gag Island after been seen; they were soon captured. Mar 1962 "Pasukan Gerilya 300" unit using motorised canoes take cover near Waigeo Island before one was eaten by sharks while trying to return to Java before being captured.
26 Apr 1962 40 guerrilla paratroopers of DPC Team 3 flew by Dakotas towards Fak-Fak; the first guerrilla was arrested after asking a Papuan on a canoe for help and who was delivered instead to the Police. Three months later the last insurgent was arrested.
26 Apr 1962 32 guerrilla paratroopers of DPC Team 4 flew by Dakotas towards Kaimana; evaded capture for almost three months but whose commander Lieut. Heru Sisnodo's diary was also captured, roughly translated to:
"I am disillusioned because I did not expect this deployment that face this tough operation and I cry because the Papuans do not support us. They do not give us food: we must look for our own food or barter with our valuable equipment. They report our movements to the Dutch."
15-25 May 1962 PGT commandos and army paratroopers jump near Fak-Fak; 20 Police rangers approach coastline with speedboats; PGT and army paratroopers jump near Kaimana; and PGT commandos jump near Sorong while Pasukan Gerilya 400 made a sea landing. The Police rangers were arrested on route to the beach, some PGT commandos held a small village shortly near Sorong while the rest of the parachutists were quickly captured or fleeing capture.
Supposedly there were other special operations by PUSPASSUS (then Kopasus) which never been published.
These are some pictures from the KNIL side...
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