The source says those bird age is 20-30 years, and from six of them only two ready in service due to spare parts problem during embargo.
By the way those birds for free dude, and the Airforce could strength their air superiority in short moment.
Old Hawk Mk 53 TNI AU
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Correction; the aircraft in the picture is not Bae Hawk Mk 53
That is the Hawk 109, far more newer than the Hawk 53 trainers. And these Hawk 109's babies. There's the single seat version called the Hawk 209 with the similiar colour scheme that are able to carry AGM-65 air-to-ground missiles. Nevertheless both the 209 and 109's are capable of carrying AIM-9 air-to-air missiles.
But the air force would still have to pay for spare parts for these aircrafts.. Why not save the money, and just concentrate on keeping the current inventory flying. And oh yea; maybe some decent air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles for the Sukhoi's ? Because I find it pointless for buying those fighter/intreceptor jets if they're just carrying dumb bombs and FFAR missiles ..Originally Posted by Aghost
Still,though they're freebies,the airforce gotta do some quality assessments for these 67s,mainly navigations and the airframe itself.Well we don't want another mishap that costs lives now do we...I think it's safer to keep it as a well-maintanced trainer rather than converting it to an LCA,we can't put a lot of stress on the old birds' airframes,at least the airforce would get the benefit of having more capable jet pilots in the future
Thanks for the correction but phyisically hawk 209 and 53 slightly the same, discussing the aircraft donation proposal this is not the first time the Indonesian Airforce had this offer, a few time ago Qatar offered their old Mirages too for donation but our Minister of Defence denied this offer due to their maintenance cost is high and we never had this aircraft before. If we want the new type of aircraft so it must be brand new, coz it's worth with the facility, maintenance and training cost we have to prepare.
Qatar Mirage 2000
@Aghost
That picture is the old Mirage F-1,the ones that Qatar offered to Indonesia are the much newer Mirage 2000-5,a full squadron was offered for free but because of the high maintanance cost these Mirages,the Pakistanis had interest in procuring,were rejected
So they offered us newer Mirage 2000, I took the picture and info from Alutsista blogspot and didn't know that it was Mirage F-1, if true they offered newer Mirage 2000.... Wow...
But I am still agree with Minister of Defence to denied the offer, it's costly..
Yeah,other than being costly the delta-wing configuration is also the main concern because the pilots don't have the experience of flying and manuvering that type of aircraft before
my sources said it was Mirage 200-5... yeah offcourse the operational cost are expensive.... wanna cheap one? buy mustang!!
the ntw-20 magazine designed to fed from the side because the ammo was so heavy. so it would be more efficient with the side magazine configuration..I just want to post three .50BMG Snipers that TNI use currently in Kostrad and Marines which is the Truvelo .50, the DENEL NTW-20, and the notorious Barrett M107. One thing peculiar about DENEL's besides the bullpup configuration is the magazine itself which is fed from the side,I don't know why the engineers at DENEL did that.I don't have images of the soldiers actually using or holding the guns,sorry
i read it from ".50 cal long range sniper rifle" published by commando
btw salam kenal semuanya
Welcome...the ntw-20 magazine designed to fed from the side because the ammo was so heavy. so it would be more efficient with the side magazine configuration..
i read it from ".50 cal long range sniper rifle" published by commando
btw salam kenal semuanya
The heavier the ammo, the more sense it makes to have a top or bottom lmag well. A heavy one sided mag got to affect the way you shoot. I had a 90rd one sided drum on AR before. It's annoyingly heavy on one side. (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG055-36.html)
As far as the free birds... I say TAKE THEM ALL. You can retire them anytime if the AU feel they are more of burden than an effective combat asset. The reason TNI doesn't like free stuffs is because there won't be MONEY changing hands... so there wont be any kind of kick back. Bah!
Here is the old news on the Mirage 2000
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/...of-mirage.html
Last edited by TheBroncos; 04-23-2009 at 06:49 PM.
credit to Razabanjar@kaskus.us
wah, kalau gak ada gambar mesti deh pada kelahi.
dah aku kasih gambar lagi. Kayanya belum pernah ada yang upload.
pemasangan roket pada hawk. Kayanya ni pesawat pendek (rendah) aja ya?
Thanks for the Mk109 pic!
Yes, the Mk67 will be a perfect replacement for our 2+4 Mk53s.
->Afatar: Selamat datang!
->Jagi: Our Mk53s are bought around 1980. We are the fourth costumer after GB (MkT1), Finland (Mk51) and Kenya(Mk52).
The Korean Mk67 are bought around 1992.
With 60 Hawks (20 Mk53, 8 Mk109 and 32 Mk209) we are also one of the biggest Hawkcustomers.
I have a question,between AU's Mk.53,Mk.109,and Mk.209 which one is the trainer version? Or maybe all of them are LCAs?
Hawk Mk.53=Advance Trainer (but right now in TNI-AU also use as Light Attack. that's why the Mk-53 join the 15th Skad, not in Skadik)
Hawk 109=Advance Trainer/Light Attack. development from Mk.60 series. also can be use as LIFT
Hawk 209=Light Attack, development from 100's series
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