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Pistol Serbu brochure.
Courtesy of TNI AD, said to be the creator of the weapon. Is it still in working prototype stage?
PS - Any Pindad small arms updates, especially if the SM-3 LMGs are in service or are not?
What is the different between Satuan Pelopor Brimob and Resimen Pelopor? As far as i know, Pelopor is Sabhara, not the Brimob.Originally Posted by karbol
Pistol Serbu brochure.
Courtesy of TNI AD, said to be the creator of the weapon. Is it still in working prototype stage?
PS - Any Pindad small arms updates, especially if the SM-3 LMGs are in service or are not?
Thanks for posting! Looks really great!
Some days ago i saw Robocop 2 with his gun on the telly...but this is a real one...
Except it has 5.56 x 21 mm bullets instead of 9mm.
Seems to be indigenously made in Indonesia.
Men Pelopor is now call Satuan 2 Pelopor, Brimob Mabes Polri.
Oh... since when? last time i passed at Pelopor HQ in Jl. Putri Hijau Medan (about 5 month ago), their name is still Resimen Pelopor, and their uniform like common police officer (Sabhara or Samapta gitu...), not Brimob's uniform.
What I was reffering to was the Resimen I Pelopor Brimob Mabes Polri which is now called Sat-2 Pelopor. If there are other police units designated as Pelopor then I am not aware of it.
@Ominae,as written in Angkasa magazine,the PS-1 is still a working prototype based on a Pindad-made handgun called P2 if I'm not mistaken.As with other new products of Pindad other than SS-2,such as the SPR-2 and the SM-3 along with other varieties of combat arsenal,won't imidiately be replacing all of TNI's arsenal because most of the current ones are still very capable
@r0m8470,there was an ongoing discussion about the missiles that will be equipped to the Sukhois in some military forums.Rusky's badboys like Adder and Alamo will be the main consideration at this point,but what about Indonesia's own indigenous system?Well,we'll have to be patient and wait to see it for ourselves.....in a few decades ()
Jagi
- Thanks. You know what year the SM-3s were made? If you know the other SPRs too, I don't mind that too.
if no picture release by the airforces, we never know are the air forces already have those missile... and let keep it that way.
@r0m8470,there was an ongoing discussion about the missiles that will be equipped to the Sukhois in some military forums.Rusky's badboys like Adder and Alamo will be the main consideration at this point,but what about Indonesia's own indigenous system?Well,we'll have to be patient and wait to see it for ourselves.....in a few decades (
to compare it, according to Sipri TNI-AU bought AGM-65 since 1988. but we dont know the Air forces have the Maverick until late '90...
Korean Hawk Mk.67 for TNI-AU?
Throwing Away Usable Aircraft?
A Hawk trainer jet
By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter
The Air Force's plan to withdraw some of its fully serviceable trainer jets from use has been called into question. Critics say the ``early decommissioning'' of the 17-year-old U.K.-built Hawk Mk67 trainer, known locally as the T-59, will be a waste of taxpayers' money.
The Air Force bought 20 Hawk trainer aircraft between 1992 and 1993 to replace its aging T-33 trainers. Currently, the service operates 16 T-59s at an airbase in Yecheon, North Gyeongsang Province. It wants to decommission the fleet in 2012.
With consistent maintenance and overhauls, aircraft experts say, the trainers will be able to fly problem-free for at least 10 more years, given the aircraft's normal lifespan of 30 years. The per-unit price is $18 million.
The plan is in stark contrast to the service's continued operation of F-4 and F-5 fighter jets introduced about 40 years ago.
A senior Air Force official told The Korea Times the decision was made last October as part of plans to inaugurate a ``tactical air control command'' by 2012 when South Korea takes over wartime operational control of its forces from the U.S. military.
The service subsequently drew up an ``Air Force tactical aircraft management plan,'' he said. Under the plan, the Air Force will replace all T-59s with KA-1 forward air control planes by 2012, after building more KA-1s, due to difficulties obtaining spare parts for the former _ namely integrated logistics support (ILS) problems. The KA-1 is an armed variant of the KT-1 Woongbi basic trainer developed by Korea Aerospace Industries and the state-funded Agency for Defense Development.
But defense experts and some Air Force officials rebut the claim.
``India, South Africa and some other countries are still producing Hawk trainer jets under licensing agreements, so South Korea could obtain needed spare parts quite easily and operate the aircraft for about 20 more years,'' an analyst at a state-funded defense research institute said, requesting to remain anonymous.
The researcher also cited the solid maintenance and overhaul centers in Yecheon and an airbase in Seosan, South Chungcheong Province, which have given the T-59s an operational rate of around 80 percent.
``I've been told that the Air Force may offer T-59s for free to some Southeast Asian nations, including Indonesia, for future arms deals with the countries concerned,'' he noted. ``It seems quite unreasonable, however, because those nations could, otherwise, be potential customers for South Korean-made trainer jets.''
A retired Air Force general recommended that the Air Force use T-59s as light attack jets after equipping them with required weapons systems. Then the T-59 fleet should be relocated to Wonju, some 140 kilometers east of Seoul in the region of Gangwon Province, for air-to-ground/forward air control missions, he said. Forward air control aircraft conduct operations on the frontline mainly to monitor and detect enemy movements in the event of war.
``If T-59s are relocated to Wonju, they could be projected to the country's western region faster and more effectively to deter aggression by North Korean special forces by sea,'' he said. ``Once fitted with night vision equipment, they would be also able to carry out nighttime missions.''
The T-59 has a bigger weapons carrying capacity than the KA-1, and it's much faster than the turboprop plane, he added.
The Hawk trainer jet, which can carry about two tons of weapons systems, is known to be capable of conducting F16-level missions at low-altitudes, including close air support and counter-air-defense. Its armament includes a 30mm anti-tank cannon, AIM-9M Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, Mk87 free-fall bombs and rocket pods. In comparison, the KA-1 can carry only 14 ground attack rockets.
Earlier this year, the Ministry of National Defense unveiled plans to move a fleet of 12 KA-1 aircraft based in Seongnam, Gyeonggi Province, to Wonju, in line with the government's plan to build a high-rise amusement park near the Seongnam area.
It is also designed to help fill the operational gap from the recent pullout of a U.S. Apache attack helicopter battalion from the Korean Peninsula.
The KA-1's main mission is to help prevent North Korean special forces with some 150 air-cushion landing craft from infiltrating Incheon and other western regions in the South by sea.
gallantjung@koreatimes.co.kr
link: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...205_43236.html
@Ominae
I don't really know when exactly were the SM-3 and the SPR-2 developed,correct me if I'm wrong but they both made their first appearance in Indodefence Expo in 2006 along with SS-2 and PM-2. The SPR-2 itself is a 50.cal anti-material sniper rifle which has a similar form with the Israeli's Black Eagle though its designers said that they incorporated and study various forms of anti-materials to develop the SPR-2. The SPR-1 is a 7.62mm bolt action said to be developed from Remington 700,I think this one has been around for quite some time,while the 7.62mm semi-automatic sniper rifle SPR-3 is a newly developed one,there isn't much info about this piece but the design is very similar to that of an SPR-2
@karbol
If what the article said about those Hawk Mk.67s being given to Indonesia for free is true then I hope that the gov't would make a thorough consideration before making the decision,whether it is to accept or to reject the S.Koreans offer
Hope this is not news crap, coz if it's true the Airforce didn't have to think twice to agree this proposal, furthermore they will retire aging hawk Mk 53 this year and still looking for the proper replacement aircraft considering the limited budget. The similar type aircraft will economize the operating cost and didn't have to train the pilot due to they already familiar with the previous one. I am strongly recommend this offer.
Old Hawk Mk 53 TNI AU
@Aghost
But then again,how old were our Hawks cause Koreans Mk.67 is pretty old too you know,17 years....whew
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