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    Quote Originally Posted by littlehui View Post
    Many ppls in this era like you, blinded by those fancy sam system as if the old school unguided projectile are all outdated. But very few ppl realized that even the formidable Arleigh Burke DDG researved 2 CIWS as a save ass measure. In the same way, these old school AA guns with proper datalink from a radar or electroptic sys can form a cheap but effective CIWS.
    Many people in this era like you, also blinded & couldn't learn enough from the recent war histories (e.g. Iraq War I & II) that these oldies AAA are not really effective in this kind of modern warfare.From the two Iraq theatres, these AAA guns did nothing in stopping the air strikes (well, they did something, making us excited to watch the fireworks in Baghdad sky from the CNN TV screen). Why ? Because of the limited range of AAA guns & because today you can shoot the ground target from miles away above. After the Saddam's military command & communication centers were decapitated, these AAA guns were destroyed easily by the next airstrike waves. A few of them escaped & managed to shoot down drones & misfortune choppers for a short while, though.If your enemy has only choppers & turboprop fighters, then the AAA guns might be effective. But it's not gonna happen, is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominae View Post
    Anyone know the meaning of Senapan Bea Cukai from the Pindad SBC-1 carbine? I got Senapan, which is assault.
    Senapan Bea Cukai means Customs Rifle, here the picture


    it does look like the Police rifle, but the SBC-1 have single shoot only.

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    I thought the SBC-1 can shoot in semi?

    PS - Found out from the Indonesian customs site that Bea Cukai means Customs & Excise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlehui View Post
    As if those SAM system can do any better after their data source were cut off?
    Back to my original post, please. IMO, 18ea of AAA guns won't do any good or will do a very little effect. 18ea AA is good enough to defend a few ground targets only maybe, but 18ea is far too little to defend the whole nation as Indonesia.

    I didn't mention any SAM, did I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZAYYANA View Post
    Senapan Bea Cukai means Customs Rifle, here the picture


    it does look like the Police rifle, but the SBC-1 have single shoot only.
    The top one; the one so called SBC-1 is for the Custom enforcement personnel. Judging from the magazine, it's a standard 5.56x45mm calibre. The blueish color is the corrosion-resistance metal finish. Yes, we can see it has a single shot only.

    The bottom one is Sabhara-V2 (V1 version has a long barrel). 7.62x45mm calibre. These rifles are dedicated for Police, mainly for Sabhara units.

    So you see, Pindad has been trying to satisfy its customers & willing to make specific rifles for the users; Raider, Marines, Police, Forrest Guard & now Custom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Chief View Post
    Back to my original post, please. IMO, 18ea of AAA guns won't do any good or will do a very little effect. 18ea AA is good enough to defend a few ground targets only maybe, but 18ea is far too little to defend the whole nation as Indonesia.

    I didn't mention any SAM, did I?
    Let's put together all Anti-Air assets that Indonesia has, if possible with the numbers. The 23mm is not the only one, at last.


    ZU-23 (or rather it's Chinese knockoff named Type 85, as Kopassus noted). 23 mm Twin Gun


    20mm Rh 202 Twin Gun


    57mm S-60 Gun


    Hispano Suiza 20mm Triple Mount on a M35 truck


    37mm M1939 Gun


    Not sure what this is. Possibly 40mm Bofors gun.

    So, the important questions are:
    - How many of each has TNI?
    - Which of them are just old, hand-aimed AA-guns and which of them are connected to radar, data-transfer and other fancy kinds of detection and battlefield management systems?

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    And for completeness the missile systems:

    Rapier SAM


    RBS-70 SAM on a Land Rover Defender


    QW-3 Manpad on some unknown 4x4 offroader

    Cobra System, consisting of:

    Poprad Land Rover Quad-Launcher of Grom SAM


    ZUR-23-2KG 23mm twin gun with Grom SAM twin-launcher

    Coupled with some radar vehicles etc. We just had that on page 99.

    Did I forget anything?

    Most of these pics come from this thread and from users that regularly post here. I hope you allow me to use all these pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDCM View Post
    Let's put together all Anti-Air assets that Indonesia has, if possible with the numbers. The 23mm is not the only one, at last.

    ZU-23 (or rather it's Chinese knockoff named Type 85, as Kopassus noted). 23 mm Twin Gun

    20mm Rh 202 Twin Gun

    57mm S-60 Gun

    Hispano Suiza 20mm Triple Mount on a M35 truck

    37mm M1939 Gun

    Not sure what this is. Possibly 40mm Bofors gun.

    So, the important questions are:
    - How many of each has TNI?
    - Which of them are just old, hand-aimed AA-guns and which of them are connected to radar, data-transfer and other fancy kinds of detection and battlefield management systems?
    Good compilation, well done, David.
    Now I hope somebody can give us the answers...

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    I didnt know indonesian have these....


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    1 of the many paratroopers nightmares....


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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderweb6969 View Post
    I didnt know indonesian have these....
    nope... we dont have those. it was only an experimental aircraft. in fact, the exocet was a dummy, and then helo already crash....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidDCM View Post
    Let's put together all Anti-Air assets that Indonesia has, if possible with the numbers. The 23mm is not the only one, at last.


    ZU-23 (or rather it's Chinese knockoff named Type 85, as Kopassus noted). 23 mm Twin Gun


    20mm Rh 202 Twin Gun


    57mm S-60 Gun


    Hispano Suiza 20mm Triple Mount on a M35 truck


    37mm M1939 Gun


    Not sure what this is. Possibly 40mm Bofors gun.

    So, the important questions are:
    - How many of each has TNI?
    - Which of them are just old, hand-aimed AA-guns and which of them are connected to radar, data-transfer and other fancy kinds of detection and battlefield management systems?
    [*******RoyalBlue]20mm Rh 202 Twin Gun[/COLOR]= its old and hand-aimed AA-guns


    [*******RoyalBlue]57mm S-60 Gun[/COLOR]=should be on museum. and yes it is manually aimed


    [*******RoyalBlue]Hispano Suiza 20mm Triple Mount on a M35 truck[/COLOR]=very old, and manual


    [*******RoyalBlue]37mm M1939 Gun=[/COLOR]its old too... and its manual


    [*******RoyalBlue]Not sure what this is. Possibly 40mm Bofors gun.[/COLOR]=old again... manual again

    [*******RoyalBlue]ZU-23 (or rather it's Chinese knockoff named Type 85, as Kopassus noted). 23 mm Twin Gun[/COLOR]=new, and they have a little radar and battlefield management systems...

    how many..? hmm... dont know. but look it at bright sight: we have a lot of anti jamming AA system...

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    http://affanzbasalamah.wordpress.com...s-2-pt-pindad/

    A lot of Pindad small arms, including the SM-3 LMG. Wish I could learn more of the specs. XP

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    LOL! Thanks. That was fast. No info yet on the SS2-V5?

    Oh yeah, mind if I use the pic of the SS2 on wikipedia? I'm a regular contributer there.
    Last edited by Ominae; 09-27-2008 at 01:50 AM.

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    ^^sorry, i didnt take a pics on SS-2V5 specs. nope.. i dont mind you use the pics..

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