I am gonna be away for a bit in the coming months and my live in girlfriend wants a firearm for home safety. She has taken the course required to get your LTC- class A (license to own a handgun that can hold a high cap mag) here in Massacusetts.
She is from Brazil, she has / spends alot of time on her family ranch there, so she grew up around guns.
Anyway, we went to a range and tried a few firearms out, she liked the Beretta 84 .380 which is Mass. complient. Also the Sig .380, Mass complient too.
Enough stopping power?
Appropiate for a petite female?
optimal ammuniton for home safety?
Any other suggestions would be appreciated, I am by no means an expert and there is much wisdom here.
If you do have an alternate suggestion, please remember I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, anti-fire arm state legislature. (no post 98 glocks, 10 pound trigger pull, over a 10 round mag for a civilian is a crime, No HKs allowed of anykind, and much more)
Thank you in Advance
PS One concern, she has a Latin Temper, so this may be used on me if I forget a birthday, anniversary, or just come home piss drunk at 3:00 am when my orders were to back at 11:30
Well teake amount that fit in to clip and multiply by 4(1 clip for gun,one extra clip, rest as spare ammo for emergency situations) it shoud be more than enough for anything without burst fire capablity.
Well, I would forget the .380 - just not enough stopping power. My little lady is only 4'10" and she easily controlled an L9A1 Browning High Power in the days when our esteemed government allowed us to possess such things.
9x19mm minimum loaded with JSP/JHP. If you can't go for Glock/HK etc., what about a domestic hi-cap 9mm?
Give her a 12-gauge, nothing is better for home protection in my view... with the amount of money you whould spent with an assault rifle, you can buy a shotgun plus a sidearm, so It whould be my choice.... Of course, dont forget to do some training
So heavy triggers are mandatory in MA?
The Walther P99 is Masachusetts legal IIRC
While not my personal first choice, I'd give it a look as it is very sturdy and functions reliably.
YES, 10 pound trigger pull, Walther-Smith and Wesson and the Walther p99 are Massachusetts complient. I think we have a law concerning a mandatory de-cocker also. The funniest of all is that while in your home the firearm has to be with a trigger locked or in a safe. And there yet another list with approved trigger locks, and I serious.
Badguy coming through the window, get to safe and remember combo quicky, or get to the gun and take of trigger guard quickly.
Somewhere in between this I think the bad guy has the drop on you.
PS Thanks, I will check into, they had one at the range and it was .40. I will see if they have 9mm there.
Last edited by Futile Talisman; 03-17-2006 at 12:17 PM.
and also have some sort of drop test, another thing, the police chief of local town decides if and what type of permit you can get. About dozen chiefs got together and made a pact that no one in their cities would get a permit.
They do not have to give a reason to deny you. One such chief is in charge of a small department 6 full time maybe 6 part timers. It is the Boonies, and 2 cops cover a vast amount of territory on each shift, one man cruisers. Sate police I think offered to augment the force with some troopers, it turned into a territorial pissing contest, and the only losers were those who wanted to defend their homes.
This state is perhaps the most anti-gun in the nation.
Last edited by Futile Talisman; 03-17-2006 at 11:35 AM.
I would argue against anything smaller than 9mm Luger. .380 (9mm kurz) is not a sufficient self defense round, IMO. There are 8-9 round cap 9s out there, same-same with .40s. If she is stout enough she might like a .45 also. There is also nothing wrong with a good quality .357 Mag revolver.
As a primary defense gun, the handgun is lacking. I would consider the 12 gauge shotgun as a good home defender.
.380 is not a horriable round for self-defence (most CCW people I know down here carry .380, mostly because the gun itself is small) just gotta make sure you have quality hollowpoints. Anyway, for home defence your not limited to trying to hide it so I'd say go for a nice 9mm full size, maybe a Springfield XD9? If she can handle a .45acp more power to her, get her a 1911.
I have to second a good pump-action 12 gauge for home defence though, my 1911 is in my nightstand but I'll be reaching for my mossberg 500 SP first when things go bump in the night...
Last edited by onefast93z28; 03-17-2006 at 12:00 PM.
Thanks for all of the advice guys, gonna look at it from all perspectives, I may have some follow up questions, hopefully I will come to a satisfactory purchase in regards to the safety of a loved one.
Me being a civilian who is unfortunately a resident of Massachusetts and for the time being living in cubicle land with no military experience, and just basic firearms training in the heart of the anti-fire arm world is tough. Even tougher to find sage advice.
Clearly I have some home work to do
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