A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

[Clay]

http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html
is this real

Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:35:53 EST
From: FLOYD RUDMIN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada


A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

Submitted by F.W. Rudmin
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario Canada

Email: rudminf@qucdn.queensu.ca
FAX: (613) 545-6611

The following is a full-text reproduction of the 1935
plan for a US invasion of Canada prepared at the US Army
War College, G-2 intelligence division, and submitted on
December 18, 1935. This is the most recent declassified
invasion plan available from the US archival sources.
Centered pagination is that of the original document. The
spelling and punctuation of the original document are
reproduced as in the original document, even when in error
by present-day norms.

[HELEX]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

[martinexsquaddie]

apart from something for the military to do
WTF would be gained by that
rembering canada was still part of the british empire back then and the royal navy was'nt exactly short of ships back then

[Lone Predator]

The Canadian government was developed plans for invading strategic parts of the N.E. states back in the 20s after we had our own sizable military following WW1... the plans were destroyed shortly after their proposal or whatever. It's no suprise both side didn't think about it. The reason the war of 1812 wasn't exactly a success is because the US at the time didn't have the strength to invade Canada.

plans are nothing, actions are another...

[stuntman]

I am not insulted by this comment

The reason the war of 1812 wasn't exactly a success

but what exactly does that mean? Last time I checked we were attacked and we won that war decisively! If you mean the campain to gain territory in southern Canada that was a failure, then I apologize. But yeah maybe it was just incase Canada became totalitarian or communist or some oppresive society???
Who knows!

[Flagg]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

Well if that's the case...I say screw the 1935 plans....I want to see the 2004 Plan....particularly the part involving the capture of Canadian Strategic Beer Production Facilities...

cause god knows invadin' Canada wouldn't be 'bout no oil......it would be 'bout important stuff...like beer.

[EvanL]

Military has plans for nearly everything, this doesnt mean they ever really were thinking about it.

Well if that's the case...I say screw the 1935 plans....I want to see the 2004 Plan....particularly the part involving the capture of Canadian Strategic Beer Production Facilities...

cause god knows invadin' Canada wouldn't be 'bout no oil......it would be 'bout important stuff...like beer.

there are more people standing ready to guard the breweries in Canada, than in the whole military of the United States!. haha

[DANJANOU]

The plans are real. I remember coming across something similar a few years back. I also found the Canadian Army's defence plans to repel said invasion. Parts of it are covered in the book Canadian Brass which is about the development of a professional staff corps in the Canadian Military. Interesting pictures of Canadian staff officers in civillian clothes doing recces on possible invasion routes in upstate NY.

As someone already noted, most if not all military organizations have plans such as this for almost any conceivable threat or perceived threat which are updated on a regular basis.

Actually up until 1939 thr Government of Canada considered the most serious threat to the nation to be a full scale invasion/annexation from the USA, hence their own series of plans to try and counter or at least delay this.

Contrary to what was noted, Canada was an independant nation and had it's own distinctforeign policy by this time (gained some 10 years earlier). That said we still would have relied heavily on the British for aid as the US plan notes.

Of the aircraft listed as belonging to the RCAF, most would have been obsolete types. The figures for the Militia are also optomistic. While the numbers were there, it was mostly a paper organization with insufficient stocks of rifles, uniforms etc to outfit the numbers noted as was quickly discovered in September 1939.

The regular army at the time consisted of 3 infantry bns, an armoured regiment with only a few obsolete WWI vintage tanks and armoured cars and an artillery regiment, plus various logistics units.

Mind the peacetime US military at the time really wasn't that large or formidable either.

Still an interesting read.

[Skaman]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.

And with the war of 1812-American forces invaded Canada and were forced out by a thorough defence. White House Burned down, York Burned down.

Canadian people, seperate from the British empire, were a unique homogenous people which defeated the USA with help from garrisoned British forces and native contingents.

[DANJANOU]

Duci

While I admire that Maple Leaf you appear to be wearing on your sleeve there let's try and get our facts straight eh. If I read one more time about how we burned down the White House I'm gonna hurl.

First it wasn't even called that at the time. The President's official home in Washington was actually pink or sandstone in colour at the time. After it was torched it was rebuilt and white washed to hide the scorch marks, hence it's "new" nickname.

Secondly there were no Canadian units regular or militia present at any of the battles fought in and around Washington and/or Baltimore. The closest connection you can make is that the British Commander General Ross was killed during thr final actions at Baltimore and brought to Halifax for burial.

[Midav]

There are plans for most any happenings.

Good example is Schwarzkopf's plan to rid Iraq from Kuwait. He wrote the basic battle concept years before he ever became General in charge of CENTCOM.

[Skaman]

While I admire that Maple Leaf you appear to be wearing on your sleeve there let's try and get our facts straight eh. If I read one more time about how we burned down the White House I'm gonna hurl.

First it wasn't even called that at the time. The PResident's official home in Washington was actually pink or sandstone in colour at the time. After it was torched it was rebuilt ans white washed to hide the scorch marks, hence it's "new" nickname.! (accurate)

Secondly there were no Canadian units regular or militia present at any of the battles fought in and around Washington and/or Baltimore. The closest connection you can make is that the British Commander Generla Ross was killed during thr final actions at Baltimore and brought to Halifax for burial.

I am going to have to disagree with you there.

[cbreedon]

I've got a name for it.......OPERATION LEAF BLOWER......

[Vance]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.

Don't you mean sixty-nine?

[Skaman]

Dirty American Mannifest Destiny! The thought that a 'plan' was put into motion only some thirty years ago is frightning.

Don't you mean sixty-nine?

yes.