Luckily you are quite right there.
Originally Posted by DutchInfantry
But it's a bit beside the point when the MoD shouts that they want to modernize all branches.
Of course the lads in Afg need it the most,and believe me no matter what happens,they get it first anyway. But if you modernize,do it properly then.
How then?? Selling our last Leopards,PZH,Ships and cenceling the JSF programe?
Originally Posted by Graspol
Money!!! 16th world economy has no extra money for us..
PAINF,LMB did there work for years with equipment you woult not trade for your own. 2 damn years i had to wait for the SMP.
Natres is well equiped enough for the next decade.
The combat troops are hardly better equipt and you asking for more?
Why better weapons if you never fire a shot.
Compare the tasks.....
sp2c its sad that some people..you know have big ambitions but are not willing to pay. We allways buy the newest the best but we are selling more then we buy. We supose to be one of NATOs best..
I realy think our units are one of the best.. But at the end we have nothing to fight with. Jeeez selling new equipment we are so good at it.
YES!!! Please do cancel that JSF to the Netherlands!!!
LOL and what woult replace our F-16s?
Originally Posted by WhiteAce
Im sure it costs a lot of money and we dont get much.
But it woult be the best there is.
Re: 'New Stuff'
Have you kids any idea how much has been invested in Defense over the last 10 years?
It is o so nice to whine about what others dont need and should be given to you first.
Did you know Natres personnel is being deployed too, they went to Irak and are now in Afghanistan.
New stuff costs money, something we always seem to be short of. We can not buy everything at once.
That is why it takes time to get it to everybody.
Yes everybody, because I dont think that the 'non-combatant' driver that is part of a convoy to resupply Deh Rawoud is somehow magicaly protected from hostile fire. Every man a rifleman actualy means exactly what is says, everybody must be able to fight when needed.
Now I might be an old fart and you young guys with oh so much more experiance than my short 22 years in this army but I would nevertheless suggest you start learning to use wat you got rather than whine about what you would like to have (or think that you are entitled to).
P.S. Go into politics if you want to change the current situation.
just because you lived throught WW2 doesn't mean you can talk down on younger people either ... just because people are asking for it doesn't mean they can't make do without it
we need new stuff, more stuff, better stuff and more better new shiny stuff because the old non shiny stuff is usually old and non shiny and that makes for terrible photo's
and they tend to break down more often and take longer to fix
additionally I don't want to change stuff, I want stuff to change ... theres a difference
Well said sp2c!!
Tercio67... I suppose you were born in 67? Well me too... I might not be in the military anymore, but I've been following what's been going on there for over 20 years, so that make's us even graduated on knowledge about the things we say. We do have other opinions-and we are both entitled to that.
NATRES by the way as you may know, is only on voluntary basis out in A'stan.
Oh and this: I'm already into politics
Originally Posted by WhiteAce
Well said Tercio67 as well!
I am from that year too,so that makes me graduated as much too eh?
I was only saying that we would find some new add-ons on our rifles useful,even if we don't get into TIC's every other day.
It doesn't mean that I think we should get it before other units do.
I was only talking about a torch and a quick-aim device ffs!
What never happend doesn't mean it can or will never happen in the near future. Look at what happend at Massarene Barracks in NI !
Well if you need it bad, you can always buy specific (small) things yourself. The EOTech 520 holosight (or something like that) and a surefire torch are both things you can buy and add on your C8 right? I hear people already buying things for themselves that they think is better than isseud stuff.
(I know it's not the way it is supposed to be but still...)
About more, new and shiny;
Looking good and tricked out is for airsoft.
Being able to use, and make do, with what you have is for proffessionals regardless of how it looks.
There is nothing wrong with wanting something better, however something slightly less new can be just as functional.
Dont strive to become an ice cream, who without a refridgerator will melt.
Being a soldier is in your mind, not in your hands.
Last edited by tercio67; 03-09-2009 at 08:28 AM.
I strive to be the refrigerator that keeps my country from melting away
prefferably the shiny refrigerator from Miele that's real expensive has and icecube makers and a built-in beertender
nothing wrong with wanting to be the best
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