Dutch military pictures

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"Dutch Save On Spare Parts"

Some of the equipment being take out of Dutch military service will be used for spare parts, Dutch Defense Minister Hans Hillen informed parliament on 25 May, the day before the three-day Pentecost weekend in Europe.

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Source;
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3adc4a0cd1-5a27-4c48-845a-d10adab90aa4

http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuw..._in_de_verkoop

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New commercial for MoD

'Je moet het maar kunnen'


http://www.youtube.com/user/werkenbijdefensie

MoD;
http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2012/05/29/46196205/Nieuwe_commercial_voor_Defensie

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The KCT adopted multicam in afghanistan, but the camouflage development didn't stop because of this. The reason for NOT adopting multicam is the same as the original reason to develop the new camouflage: to have a better camo that is distinctive from other camouflages and has a Dutch look (whatever that may be).
Recently a picture was leaked of the new camouflage in Multicam colours. I trust the new camouflage will be great, although I do hope we'll follow the US approach and come up with a Woodland pattern, Desert pattern and something in between for the gear. The DPM vests combined with desert camouflage look like sh!t and make you stick out like a sore thumb.

I was quite shocked with Denmark announced it's adopting Multicam since it's one of the 'greener' countries of europe and Multicam couldn't be farther away from their old green camouflage. Multicam is still more of an arid pattern than a deep forst woodland pattern that you'll need in northern europe.

with our defense budget I would even question if you need to change the uniforms to a new pattern, updated backpacks/vests etz yea.. thats will be fine but just change them to coyote brown. CB can be used in woodland and in desert ops. this is also already in devopement at the VOS program.

It's not only basic uniforms ofcourse, also smock jackets, rainclothing etz.. so high costs.

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Hr. Ms. Evertsen visits Istanbul

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The air force is dead...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-for-f_35.html

Ladies and gentlemen this was end of the dutch air force. Because if the prices now allow for only 42 JSFs, this could decrease to 28-22 JSFs in the future seeing the way this fvcker keeps getting more expensive by the second.

****ing clowns

[RSone]

Let's save the eulogizing for if/when this actually comes to pass. Remember what Ghostrider said about RUMINT?

[gastrion]

I'm not concerned about reducing the force to 42 jets for a limited amount of time (2019 is still 7 years -.-), the fact that they will be replaced with 42 or less(!) f-35s is more worrying and the fact that these 42 or less fighters will be our main fighter force till at least 2050 is also very worrying.

The Klu shot itself in the foot (or in both legs if you look at the reduction) with this one, and the KM an LM are going to feel this pain as well.

[Ghostrider_NL]

wanna hear a joke? only 32 of those birds will form the main fighting force, the other 10 are already reserved for training-purposes in the US.

@Rsone: i think you can safely say is no longer RUMINT. Hillen told the cabinet a couple of weeks ago that there isn't enough money to buy the 85 projected fighters but insted it would be more likely that this number would be around 50 fighters

[RSone]

wanna hear a joke? only 32 of those birds will form the main fighting force, the other 10 are already reserved for training-purposes in the US.

@Rsone: i think you can safely say is no longer RUMINT. Hillen told the cabinet a couple of weeks ago that there isn't enough money to buy the 85 projected fighters but insted it would be more likely that this number would be around 50 fighters

Then i say the DMO should reinvestigate its options. The blind fixation on the F35 is proving rather unhealthy. To a certain point, it can be maintained that the F35 is simply (much) more capable than say, the Gripen, but without a fixed price the value proposition is extremely uncertain and is probably only going to become weaker.

[Ghostrider_NL]

Then i say the DMO should reinvestigate its options. The blind fixation on the F35 is proving rather unhealthy. To a certain point, it can be maintained that the F35 is simply (much) more capable than say, the Gripen, but without a fixed price the value proposition is extremely uncertain and is probably only going to become weaker.

Doesn't matter. the KLU has already set there mind on this aircraft and they are being backed up by the VVD and CDA in this.

You should check out the Vervanging F16 topic on Defensieforum, there is allot more news on this story.

[MonkeySoldier]

any news on the new camo?

Not really that I am aware of. Yesterday I saw they had mannequin's to show and a demonstration for officers (it seemed), which showed off their prototype smock (which was pictured before) but this time they also actually produced the desert uniform in it's pattern in colors, rather than just plain fabric.

The KCT adopted multicam in afghanistan, but the camouflage development didn't stop because of this. The reason for NOT adopting multicam is the same as the original reason to develop the new camouflage: to have a better camo that is distinctive from other camouflages and has a Dutch look (whatever that may be).

Some think it looks rather German, and don't like it. But then again, the current DPM... The orange brings the Dutch distinct in it though, imho.

Recently a picture was leaked of the new camouflage in Multicam colours. I trust the new camouflage will be great, although I do hope we'll follow the US approach and come up with a Woodland pattern, Desert pattern and something in between for the gear. The DPM vests combined with desert camouflage look like sh!t and make you stick out like a sore thumb.

Yes, I took those photos, unless others have been published, but I'm not aware of that. It's still experimental, but they (JKC M&U) were indeed thinking of a hybrid camo for equipment, but that's far from sure as the officer told me.

I've heard rumors about new frigates, subs, tanks, LHDs and even f-35Bs...

I like the current cam, but I can see why it's old fashioned by today's standard. Soldiers aren't as likely to be pinned down in a muddy polder forest line by hoards of soviet infantry and tanks anymore. The best mix would be grey and green like the one proposed a couple of years ago. I hope they don't go for Multicam...

They are in too far to back out. Yes multicam could still be an option, and they indeed had multicam equipment in the JKC M&U, but I still doubt it.

PvdA and SP announced 1.3 billion euros in cuts on the military as part of their campaign. An estimated 8500 men and women will lose their jobs if they win, which is very likely.

This is madness! Where are they going to get the money? (Rumors include: disposal of the subs, m-frigates and patriots, stopping with the german-dutch corps, stopping with the UK-NL landing force and dutch-british marine cooperation.)
This must not happen, for the next step after this one ,I fear, shall be the disposal of ALL large offensive materiel such as: apaches, frigates, LPDs, IFVs, F-16s and its replacement. The disbanding of the 1 of the 3 army brigades, the disbanding of the korps nationale reserve and the downsizing of the marine corps to 35% of its current strength are also being investigated by SP and PvdA 'defense experts'

These people are simply dangerous if they would have the leadership of the MoD, they would completely ruin it, put people on the strees (can't see how that's social), and mess up international relationships..

with our defense budget I would even question if you need to change the uniforms to a new pattern, updated backpacks/vests etz yea.. thats will be fine but just change them to coyote brown. CB can be used in woodland and in desert ops. this is also already in devopement at the VOS program.

It's not only basic uniforms ofcourse, also smock jackets, rainclothing etz.. so high costs.

It depends on how you look at it... Right now there are 4 combat uniforms, which all have to be made in several sizes, and their accessories as well. M81 Woodland for the US Marines, D-DPM (Dutch DPM), US Desert and Jungle camo. The M81 cammies for the Marines for example, go in their thousands, as you need to issue more than just one pair of combat clothing. Same with Jungle camo, hundreds of these uniforms, in several sizes. Reducing it from four to two will eventually easen up on logistics, and allow for larger contracts at one time, thus saving money.

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Multinational Aircraft Recovery Training

The European Air Transport Command organized the first Multinational Aircraft Recovery Training (MART) event at France's Bricy air base in Orleans on 20-25 May 2012.


Belgian Defense photo

Ground crews from Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain and the U.K. practiced recovering immobilised aircraft, three retired French air force C-160s.
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Source;
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...d-17c00b90caec

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Hr. Ms. Dolfijn returns from 4 month anti paracy mission off the coast of Somalia.


Hr. Ms. Dolfijn in haven Den Helder. Foto: Ministerie van Defensie

MoD article;
http://www.defensie.nl/missies/actue...raterij_missie

Related MoD article;
http://www.defensie.nl/missies/actue...eringsmedaille

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Hr. Ms. Dolfijn returns from 4 month anti paracy mission off the coast of Somalia.


Hr. Ms. Dolfijn in haven Den Helder. Foto: Ministerie van Defensie

MoD article;
http://www.defensie.nl/missies/actue...raterij_missie

Related MoD article;
http://www.defensie.nl/missies/actue...eringsmedaille

Nice skull and crossed cutlass's...

[gastrion]

Other ships might mistake it for a pirate nacro sub