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    A sad day for Scotland.

    It is with great sadness and regret that I have to report the demise of six of the best Regiments the British Army has ever known ... ... ...

    Tuesday 28th March 2006 marks formation day of The Royal Regiment of Scotland.

    Army regiments merging into one


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    Ceremonies to mark the creation of a single Scottish army regiment are being held across the UK and elsewhere. The current six infantry regiments will become battalions of the new Royal Regiment of Scotland (RRS). The Royal Highland Fusiliers, the Black Watch, The Highlanders and The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders will form four battalions of the new regiment.

    370 years of the finest military tradition in the world has been wiped out by the stroke of a politician's pen. When the queen's Own Highlanders were merged with The Gordon Highlanders in 1994, I saw men weep openly at the merging parade on a bridge over the river Spey - the historic dividing line between recruiting territories, no doubt this event will result in the same.

    BBC News Online

    Quote Originally Posted by The Times March 27, 2006

    Goodbye to the Black Watch
    By Philip Howard
    “SAY something, laddie, even if it’s only ‘Goodbye’!” screamed the purple sergeant-major in a Black Watch kilt. The officer cadet was dithering to time his command of “Abooowt TURN” as the left feet of the squad hit the tarmac. His squad was marching rapidly towards noyade in the Tweed. On Tuesday we say goodbye to 281 years of history, as the Black Watch is subsumed with the other Highland and Lowland regiments into the new Royal Regiment of Scotland, which will comprise just five Scottish infantry battalions. Major- General Euan Loudon, GOC 2 Division, whose area of command will then stretch down into the middle of England, will present his new battalions with their cap badges and glengarries. And the Black Watch, Royal Highland Regiment (“the Ladies from Hell”) will hold its final clan gathering in Perth before it loses its red hackle and becomes plain 3 Scots.
    It is impossible to exaggerate the pain and rage that this is causing to the old and bold of the Watch. A regiment is an extended family. Its warrior spirit and discipline have sustained the family in victory and defeat, in peace and war, in barracks or in camp, in billets or in bivouac, from Ticonderoga to Basra, since it was formed to police the Highlands after the Jacobite rebellion of 1715. Black for the tartan, Am Freiceadan Dubh, to distinguish them from the redcoats.
    And not just the Black Watch, which raised a million and a half signatures in a month in its recruiting area for a petition to preserve its identity. The King’s Own Scottish Borderers started a court case to argue that, since they were formed in 1689 under a Scottish Parliament, they could not be ordered to amalgamate with the Royal Scots by the United Parliament at Westminster.
    The Royal Scots, the First of Foot, are known as Pontius Pilate’s bodyguard. Legend has it that Pilate was the son of a Roman legionary from the Wall and a Highland lass from Fortingall in Tayside. When in French service as Le Régiment de Douglas, a dispute arose with the Régiment de Picardie as to which was the senior. An officer of the Picardies claimed that his regiment was on duty on the night of the Crucifixion. The Colonel of the Scots replied: “Aye, and if it had been our turn for duty, we’d no have slept at our post.”
    This is not the first occasion that the Black Watch have felt betrayed. Their original companies were recruited on the understanding that they would serve only in the Highlands. But in 1743 they were marched to London, and learnt that they were to be posted to the deathtrap of Jamaica. More than a hundred mutinied and set off to march back to their Highlands. They got as far as Oundle before the Dragoons caught up with them. The four “ringleaders” were hanged. The rest were drafted to regiments in the hotter postings in the War of the Austrian Succession. Not many took the high road to the Highlands again.
    The Watch don’t do mutiny any more. Of course they will march wherever they are ordered. They always have. The regimental bagpipe bayonet tune is The Black Bear, which has pauses for the Jocks to scream their battlecry as they charge towards the flames at Quatre Bras or El Alamein.
    Major Colin Innes, whose family have soldiered in the Watch for generations, says: “We will support the Black Watch battalion of the new large regiment. But ‘we hae mony doots’ about its future. We are duty-bound to wish it well. But soldiering will be very different from that experienced by the family, who have been trying to retain that which they loved about their regimental soldiering.”
    The stramash will not do Gordon Brown much good in his constituency, which lies in Black Watch recruiting territory. The Army would never have dared to sack the Black Watch while the Queen Elizabeth Queen Mother, whose brothers and uncles fought and died with the Watch, was alive. Field Marshal Lord Wavell, who, like the Queen Mother, was Colonel of the Regiment, said: “It will be a sad day and an evil day for the British Infantry if the reformers ever succeed in weakening or destroying the regimental tradition.” So goodbye, Black Watch. And thank you, in blood and tears.
    The Times Online
    Black Tuesday - A Sad Day For Scotland

    1 SCOTS - The Royal Scots Borderers - 1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    2 SCOTS - The Royal Highland Fusiliers - 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    3 SCOTS - The Black Watch - 3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    4 SCOTS - The Highlanders - 4th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    5 SCOTS - The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders - 5th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland
    6 SCOTS - 52nd Lowland - 6th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland (TA)
    7 SCOTS - 51st Highland, 7th Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland (TA)
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    Aye tis a shame. Gone but never to be forgotten.

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    That totally sucks!!!!!!!!! Apparently, not enough people in Britain appreciate their military heritage. These regiments' respective histories and traditions were an invaluable asset to the British Army, and it is a shame. I served with soldiers from some of these regiments on a few occasions, and I had total respect for them.
    I heard another of Britian's oldest and finest regiments, the Royal Welch Fusiliers (23rd Foot) will be disbanded/amalgamated as well.

    And to think Tony Blair is a native Scot!

    Aye, 'Tis a sad day, Lads.

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    To contradict gaijinsamurai, the people of Britain are well aware of their military heritage, it is our government who has decreed that this does not matter.

    As for Tony Blair being a native Scot - do you think we would wish the world to know that - we are not proud of the fact. I can't think of another politician who has done more damage to our country, may he rot in hell.

    In entire British Infantry has been decimated by these cuts - I wonder how long it is before we will be discussing the formation of The Royal Corps of Infantry?

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    Seems like a strange decission in a time when they're talking about
    ever increasing overseas deployments of the Britiish Army

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    My first Battalion the Eighth Ninth Battalion the Royal Australian Regiment marched to Black Bear and the memory of it still gives me chills.
    We too were cut from the order of battle by a Government in the process of decreasing the Army. I feel your pain.

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    wellington who be sickened by this day!!!

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    Dude, I can imagine how you feel, just like me when they put our 1.Gebirgsdivision out of service...still makes me weep having had to serve under
    the 10th Panzer as Mountain Infantryman. Bargh.

    Europe finally has to come to terms with it´s security policy, right now it´s again lions led by donkeys.

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    Will they have the same CapBadge/staple Belt??

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    AFAIK the only concession to individual Regimental identities will be the wearing of the hackle on the Tam in working/combat dress.

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    It's sad but maybe it's time to take the long view about capbadges and regimental histories and loyalties.

    In the early 19th century EXACTLY the same things were being said by veterans in the British Army when their beloved numbered regiments were renamed into the county regiments etc that we're now bemoaning the loss of.

    In WW2 and I guess also in WW1 when we were really up against it hundreds of thousands of British soldiers went through training under one capbadge and subsequently got drafted into other regiments as BCRs etc to fight with no notable loss of efficiency.

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    Well, thank you DeltaWhisky58 for setting me staight! I'd prefer to be wrong about this! Still, it's too bad that a democratically-elected government can get away with such bullshiat!! I drank a healthy dose of whisky (alas it was Japanese, as it was the only kind available) in honor of the Gordons, Camerons, Seaforths, Black Watch, Argyll and Sutherlands, KOSB, Royal Scots, Royal Highland Fusiliers, and the old Cameronians tonight!
    The memories of Tel El Kiber, Waterloo, Majuba, Ypres, and El Alamein will live forever!!! A special salute to the men of the Black Watch, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, and King's Own Scottish Borderers, with whom I served. (please excuse the drunken ramblings!)

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    happend to us welsh on the 1st of march.....a very sad day for the british army and for scotland

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    DW, surely there's going to be an acceptance within the new regiment that there's got to be some kind of continuation of, if not the actual accroutrements, but at least the individual regiments traditions?

    The biggest thing for me is, that despite the serving highlanders knowing this was coming about and going through, they've got their heads down and soldiered. Tony Blair can't buy that kind of determination, but he's too p**sant to realise it.

    As far as Im concerned the watch in the north hasn't ended, maybe when hell freezes over and there's no more need for an army we can put the Black Watch and the other Highland regiments to bed. But not before, the serving men and women will see the traditions continue.

    PS

    I believe Tory policy is to reinstate the Highland regiments if they win an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theclash
    DW, surely there's going to be an acceptance within the new regiment that there's got to be some kind of continuation of, if not the actual accroutrements, but at least the individual regiments traditions?

    The biggest thing for me is, that despite the serving highlanders knowing this was coming about and going through, they've got their heads down and soldiered. Tony Blair can't buy that kind of determination, but he's too p**sant to realise it.

    As far as Im concerned the watch in the north hasn't ended, maybe when hell freezes over and there's no more need for an army we can put the Black Watch and the other Highland regiments to bed. But not before, the serving men and women will see the traditions continue.

    PS

    I believe Tory policy is to reinstate the Highland regiments if they win an election.
    How individual Jocks regard this is yet to be seen, I'll see what my cousin has to say when he get's back from Iraq in June. As for the Tories - well they have promised to reinstate the Regiments, but there again past experience tells me that I'll believe this when I see it, however one thing which is guaranteed - I've never voted Labour, and I don't intend to start now - Conservative gets my vote, has done since the 1979 General Election.

    AFAIK the decisions are made over the Regimental dress regs, but it is interesting to note that these have not yet been published on the royal Regiment of Scotland website as yet.

    Remember one thing - Jock is amongst the best fighting men the world has ever seen, some of these Regiments have continuous service going back 370 years and more - as far as these lads are concerned this will continue.

    I hope Argyll sees this, but being away at present he won't be online as often, I'd be interested in his views, but I doubt they'll fe so far away from mine.

    Remember The Scottish Regiments - Their memory and traditions march on ... ...



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