Reply With QuoteMaybe they're the ones who were trying to buy that Mig. The one they confiscated in Tokyo lol.
Indonesian businessmen arrested of plotting to buy 245 Sidewinder missiles
here's the link:
http://www.belleville.com/mld/bellev...n/14319631.htm
Four Asian businessmen (2 Indonesian, 1 Singaporean & 1 unknown) plotted to buy hundreds of handguns, machine guns, Sidewinder missiles and aviation radar equipment for export to Indonesia, creating a threat to national security, federal prosecutors said Tuesday. The four men - who have been charged in Detroit and Honolulu - were arrested Sunday after meeting in Hawaii with people they thought were representatives of a Detroit-area company, which authorities say the men believed would supply the military hardware. It was to be shipped to Indonesia through Singapore.
Court papers said Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso tried to arrange for the purchase of radar parts for military aircraft, 245 Sidewinder missiles, 882 Heckler & Koch MP 5 submachine guns, 800 H & K 9 mm handguns, 16 H&K sniper rifles and 5,000 rounds of strafing ammunition. Sidewinders are air-to-air heat-seeking missiles used on fighter jets.
Obsessed after watching 'Lord of War' maybe..??
Maybe they're the ones who were trying to buy that Mig. The one they confiscated in Tokyo lol.
5,000 rounds of strafing ammunition
Someone enlighten me
At least they have good taste.
probably 20mmOriginally Posted by Laworkerbee
Wow thats like $14.00 a round
Its amazing the things you find on eBay these days
What's wrong with Indonesia having access to Sidewinder missiles for their F-16's?
Does the US want Indonesia's military to fall apart?
No wonder Jakarta is purchasing weapons from Russia instead of the West.
Note: it says "export to Indonesia", not "export for Indonesia". Because, once that stuff has been smuggled out of the USA, who knows where they will go in the end. And even if these are for the indonesian government, the export still would have followed the lawful process.
November 24, 2005
America has restored military ties with Indonesia, lifting a 13-year ban imposed because of human rights violations.
The announcement noted that the relationship is now of the "utmost importance" for counter-terrorism.
The move is a coup for Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and will be welcomed by Australia.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...703249952.html
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State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Washington planned "to provide assistance for specific military programs and units that will help modernize the Indonesian military."
hardly going to be for terrorist'sis it?
although if al qaidia were setting up an air wing
you could probably get the nearest raptor squadron to do the packing for you.
and throw in some handy hints.
I got this from http://yosef-ardi.blogspot.com/
more about this story:
Indonesian Military finally admitted its relationship with businessmen arrested in US for a conspiracy in arms-sale. They are, Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso and Ignatius Ferdinandus Soeharli, and Ibrahim bin Amran (Singapore citizen) and David Beecroft (British).
They are charged with trying to smuggle more than 882 sub-machine guns, 800 hand guns, 16 sniper rifles and almost 250 air-to-air Sidewinder missiles.
Kompas.com quoted Communication Chief of the Indonesia Air Force Sagom Tamboen saying Air Force has cooperation with Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso (40) under a company called PT Ataru Indonesia, for F-5 fighter jet's radar procurement. "That's it, only radar, not arms procurement," he said.
Hadianto, from my research, is the managing director of Ataru Indonesia. In a letter to Russian agencies early last month, Hadianto introduced Ataru as an agent for some industrial and aviation product. Below is Hadianto's letter published in the website www.airshow.ru.
....Recently also we have been appointing as one of registered vendor for our Indonesia Arms (Air Force, Army ad Navy). Recently we are mostly focusing in Air Force area. With our good performance by completing our contracts successfully inclusive of sold one VIP Boeing Aircraft to Indonesia Air Force and supporting by our aggressive marketing team that approaching in daily basis, we have been completing more than 15 contracts in the passed 2 years. Refer to our record to deliver a used VIP aircraft made our customer give us more attention and opportunity. We do believe we could develop you business opportunity in Indonesia. So herewith we would propose you to consider us as one of your sales arm for Indonesia Air Force. Refer to above matter, kindly advise us the possibility to get support for purchase and or repair of AL-31F engine for Su-27 Flanker that own by IDAF. Looking forward to hear best news from you soon. we would send immediately all the necessary legal document and authorization vendor from Indonesia Arms once you need it.
Best regards, PT. Ataru Indonesia Hadianto Djoko Managing Director .
It's clear from this letter that Ataru is not just dealing with radar, but arms-sale in general, even though in www.asianproducts.com Ataru claimed itself as manufacturer of blood circuit for artificial kidneys and other medical equipments.
But Foreign Affairs Ministry denied government's involvement in the transaction. What's actually happen in US?
gettting more interesting.....
Below is the article of Ken Kobayashi from The Honolulu Advertiser:
published Tuesday (April 11) under the title Arms-sale conspiracy claimed.
Two men were charged here yesterday with conspiring to export military aircraft parts to a company in Indonesia in violation of the federal Arms Export Control Act.
Ignatius Ferdinandus Soeharli, also known as "Igna," and David Beecroft were charged with conspiring to export the items without a required license from the U.S. State Department.
They were charged after they arrived here Friday and met with representatives from an unnamed U.S.-based company to discuss the transactions and also view samples of machine guns and military aircraft parts, according to an affidavit by an immigration and customs enforcement agent.
Soeharli arrived from Indonesia and Beecroft from Singapore, the document said.
Undercover federal agents met with the two men as well as two others who were indicted by a federal grand jury in Michigan last week on charges of money-laundering and violating the same federal law, the affidavit said.
The two men indicted by the grand jury are Ibrahim Bin Amran and Hadianto Djoko Djuliarso, according to the affidavit.
During the meetings here, Soeharli told representatives from the U.S.-based company he was the financier for the transactions, the affidavit said. The representatives also showed the men samples of MP-5 machine guns and later showed them military aircraft parts that were to be exported, the document said.
Amran earlier said the company purchasing the military items was Ataru Indonesia, which was owned by Djuliarso, according to the document.
Federal prosecutors here did not return calls for comment on the case.
The affidavit also said:
On Jan. 5, Amran asked the U.S.-based company for a quote on 882 Heckler & Koch MP-5 submachine guns, 800 H&K 9mm handguns and 16 H&K sniper rifles. Amran was quoted a price of $3.3 million and he said he wanted to buy and export the weapons even if he could not get a license.
On March 22, federal agents received confirmation that Djuliarso and Amran ordered various military parts, including a radar assembly transmitter, antenna, amplifier, track-gate error and lock-on detector, and gyroscope. Eight days later, the two sent $447,000 to the company as partial payment.
On Wednesday, Amran sent an e-mail to the company saying "everybody will be arriving on the same flight." On Friday, the four men facing federal charges arrived at the airport.
During a meeting Friday, Amran read off a request for a quote on how many parts for a machine gun he needed for his order.
On Saturday, the company representatives showed the four men facing charges MP-5 machine guns. The representatives also made clear that a license is required for exporting the items. The company representatives and the four men later viewed military aircraft parts that had been ordered.
The blog cites Indonesian military involvement but without proof. I don't understand why Indonesian military wouldn't just go through the usual channels. The arms embargo has been lifted and it's unlikely that any of those parts/weapons would be denied to them - especially the guns.
The blog also mentions a 20% increase in defence spending - but with this sort of corruption alleged by the blog, that increase will be eaten away.
Money Politics my friend, that is the answer. Its frustrating how corrupt my superiors are.
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