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    Asinine posts a speciality Yimmy's Avatar
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    Default SUSAT replacement?

    According to Jane's Defence the UK is upgrading the SA-80 to have new optics, which I assume by which they mean a SUSAT replacement.

    Anyone know any news on it?

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    Link or article?

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    No link, its a few weeks old and has moved off Jane's front page I think.

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    Interesting ... ... shame you hadn't asked the same question then and posted a link. If it was only a couple of weeks ago, perhaps your browser history will still have the link.

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    SUSAT is a pice of sh*t. My experience with SUSAT is that you constantly need to zero it on the range even if you treat the weapon like a newborn baby, because the slightest nudge will have it out of place.

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    Any rumours of what they might be looking at?

    Trijicon??????

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    Something a bit iffy about a sight that instructs you to move upwind of it if it breaks

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    yet vaguely reasuring that should you run out of dangerous things on your rifle, Bullets and bayonets, You can still hurl the sighting unit into the enemys trench and not only concus them with a solid lump of "heavy" but make them infertile at the same time. multitool!

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    http://jdw.janes.com/

    "UK assault rifle to receive lighter, improved sight
    The UK armed forces' L85A2 (SA80A2) assault rifle is to undergo another transformation as the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) starts negotiations to replace the ...
    28-Apr-2006"

    http://www4.janes.com/subscribe/jdw/...=JDW&QueryText=

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    The article isn't available, its subscriber only.

    Sounds interesting, would you mind posting it in full?

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    If I could afford to subscribe to Jane's, I would be a rich man. Hence my asking here for information on it!

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    UK assault rifle to receive lighter, improved sight
    Andrew White Jane's Land Forces Reporter
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    The UK armed forces' L85A2 (SA80A2) assault rifle is to undergo another transformation as the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) starts negotiations to replace the L9A1 weapon sight.

    The UK MoD's Future Infantry Soldier Technology (FIST) programme office wants an "improved and lighter" system to replace the United Scientific Instruments L9A1 Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux (SUSAT), currently in use with the SA80A2.

    Industry sources said the UK MoD favours the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight (ACOG) TA31RCO 4 x 32 sight, produced by US aiming systems specialist Trijicon. The deal could have a potential value of up to GBP200 million (USD357.8 million).

    In 2000, the SUSAT was exempt from arms specialist Heckler & Koch's (H&K's) GBP92 million revamp of the SA80.

    The UK MoD contracted H&K to modify some 200,000 SA80 assault rifles and L86 Light Support weapons, with improvements including a new hammer, cocking handle, gas plug and firing pin. Monthly deliveries to the UK MoD of 4,000 SA80A2s started in December 2001 and the contract is due for completion 2006.

    Trijicon's Military Division manager, Shaun Rategan, said: "We cannot comment on quantities or type. The FIST programme has tested and evaluated our ACOG and conveyed an interest in future business."

    ACOG is currently favoured by the US Special Operations Command, including Green Berets, US Navy sea, air and land (SEAL) commandos and US Army Rangers as well as the UK's special forces. Designed for use with the M16 series of assault rifles, it is seen as a very robust sight despite being 137 g lighter than the 417 g SUSAT.

    Other features include dual illustrated reticle, enhanced adjuster caps and chevron reticle and crosshair. A deal could also include the purchase of simple scissor-action mounts.

    Since H&K's improvement programme, the SA80A2 has had "isolated difficulties", according to a UK National Audit Office report in December 2003, although post-operational reports indicated a general acceptance that the SA80A2 is effective and reliable.

    In 2005, Trijicon won a USD660 million contract to provide Rifle Combat Optics (RCO), a modified version of the ACOG, for the US Marine Corps' M16 assault rifles.

    The deal initially comprised 104,000 scopes, worth USD610 each, with an additional option for the US government to buy a maximum of 800,000 RCO scopes over the five-year contract period.

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    Thanks Spud.

    Well the preference of the ACOG comes as nor surprise, especially as it s already in use on some/most of the L119A1s in service.
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    I bet there's a M1913 rail kit gonna be thrown on those guns..and I bet even some AIMPOINTS will make their way onto a L85

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    So if adopted, when will we start seeing the troops with these new scopes?

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