Reply With QuoteSimply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
Why on earth would we want to do that. Our two DPM patterns, i.e. Temperate/Desert continue to be successful, and highly copied worldwide.Originally Posted by Brozozo
As Hydroquip said - If it ain't broke, why fix it.
Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
And you base this comment on what intel?
Digital patterns are not better, per se, than regular patterns.
A good example of a "new", non-digital pattern that is proving to be highy effective in a multitude of surroundings is the crye multicam.
DPM works, like it or not. Therefore why would the countries that use it replace it?
S.
Let me rephrase it just for you then..."You Brits should get digitals soon"And you base this comment on what intel?
Digital patterns are not better, per se, than regular patterns.
A good example of a "new", non-digital pattern that is proving to be highy effective in a multitude of surroundings is the crye multicam.
DPM works, like it or not. Therefore why would the countries that use it replace it?
S.
That's what I meant...ought to= should
Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?
I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
I understand what you mean to say... I just don't know if your sure what your sayingj/k.
S.
Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?
I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?
I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.
I'm in the CF. There is no reason to become too defensive. I never said DPM is an ineffective pattern. The only point I was trying to make is that digital patterns are becoming increasingly popular and the British army will likely adopt a digital pattern itself sometime in the future since that's where the field of camouflage and concealment seems to be going. I do stand by my statement that digital patterns are generally better than conventional patterns, after all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted. No reason to get your panties in a knot over this...I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?
I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.
I don't think that digital patterns in specific are necessarily better, but dot patterns as a whole (CADPAT, MARPAT, Flecktarn, etc.). Using pixels instead of dots just makes it easier to randomize and produce, but the concept is the same as other dot patterns.
If you had backed up your original contentions with some hard fact instead of becoming increasingly obtuse there would have been no need for this long and protracted diversion of the original thread.I'm in the CF. There is no reason to become too defensive. I never said DPM is an ineffective pattern. The only point I was trying to make is that digital patterns are becoming increasingly popular and the British army will likely adopt a digital pattern itself sometime in the future since that's where the field of camouflage and concealment seems to be going. I do stand by my statement that digital patterns are generally better than conventional patterns, after all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted. No reason to get your panties in a knot over this...I'm sorry - an avatar doesn't prove anything. You haven't justified a single thing you have said...............are you afraid of something? This forum does after all have an airsofters section - nothing to be ashamed of.........Have I used digital pattersn? See my avatar, that's me.Absolutely not! I have given you good reason why Britain does not need to change from DPM, as have others - I have worn it in service and know how good it is. Can you give me one shred of evidence other than something along the lines of "it looks cool" or something equally stupid. Have you ever used digital, have you any personal experience of it whatseover - I think not.But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Digital is not necessarly the way to go, it just simplifies printing of cloth etc.Simply because it is the way of the future. Many armies are realizing that digital patterns are superior to conventional ones and eventually digital will be the norm. Times change. That and I don't like the British DPM...
British DPM is a tired and tested cammo pattern that can be utilised anywhere in the world by only having two patterns. I would agree that there are better terrain-specific cammos, e.g. German Flecktarn, for for a pan-territorial pattern, DPM still remains effective. I also think that the digital patterns look ridiculous, but purely personal taste.
Why should we change - what right/experience have you to make such a profund statement?
I'm sorry, but your suppositions about British use of DPM are typical of the ill-informed opinions becoming all too common on this forum.
Come on - explain your reasoning or give up.
OK, so we've got your guys, the USMC and e few other experimentals on the go, but that doesn't mean the world and it's uncle will follow. I have no reason to doubt that research continues in the UK, but that does not mean that adoption of a digital replacement for DPM is imminent. The latest incarnation of DPM, i.e. Combat Soldier 2000 is still not fully implemented, and bearing in mind our current operational commitments, i.e. Iraq, Sierra Leone, The Balkans, The Falklands, Northern Ireland etc., etc., I'd say that our guys might just have more important things on their hands.
I'd still like to know however, on what you base you theory other than what you term popularity. I doubt this factor is really paramount in defence planning.
Other than the USA and Canada, what other major nations have adopted digital cammo gear...............not many. Where, when, by whome outside of USA/Canada...........evidence?After all, armies are spending money researching this and are finding that digitals do work, that's why the patterns are being adopted.
I agree with what Ratamacue says here, but on the whole, these dot pattern cammos are more terrain-specific, for example German Flecktarn is great in typical German terrain, which is exactly where it is designed to work, but take British DPM - it is designed to work almost everywhere except arrid/desert regions for which we have a specific pattern. The standard Teperate DPM has been used to great effect worldwide, which is exactly why it is one of the most copied patterns in use worldwide.
But you must agree that the DPM will be replaced by digital in the not-to-distant future.
get ****ed !
I never did say that a digital replacement is imminent. But I'll put money on the fact that in the future the British army will be wearing a digital pattern.
There are other countries that are trialling or recently adopted digital patterns. For example, Norway, Italy and Jordan(might have been Kuwait, not sure). I'm sure many others have digital patterns in development.
I'm not expecting a digital revolution to happen overnight. After all, the SS were wearing camouflage patterns in the 1940's but the US didn't adopt one until the 1970's. Same with the CF, we were wearing ODs well into the 1990's. Nowadays, there are very few armies that still use a solid colour for their combat uniforms.
Again, I don't expect a total conversion to happen within the next 10-20 years but larger and more modern armies (such as yours) will likely be adopting digital patterns sooner than later. Again, I'm not establishing a time table for this to happen.
Is digital the way of the future, I definitely think so. It may be hard to agree now since it is a new and rare concept but so were many other military innovations when they first emerged.
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