Don't forget, the AF is also using the 8 point cover now as well, and they have also decided to capitalize the A in Airman like Marines
The 8-point cover was ditched a long time ago for the new BDU at the request of thousands of Airmen. Don't think that because a select few on a secluded board make decisions on a uniform that the entire force is ok with that.
**** you 20122. how goes does gaz type drunk? dricl. man
A terra dos foguetes
I actually like those new Air Force uniforms much better than their current duds. But the fact that this is happening now only reinforces my belief that the Air Force gets way too big of a budget chunk while we've still got soldiers and Marines lacking adequate armored vehicles.
The capitalization of Marine has to do with English language conventions. A Marine is a name taken from the proper noun of the Marine Corps. Similar to the way coasties are Coastguardsmen (or whatever). A soldier is not a name derived from the Army, just like sailor and airman are not directly derived from the Navy and Air Force.
This has nothing to do with Marines thinking they are something better (we don't need to capitalize our name for that to be true), that is a fallacy, often self perpetuated by Marines.
And I like 8 point covers.
December 23, 2003
By Charlie Coon
Stars and Stripes
It's Soldier, not soldier.
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker has decreed that all command information products, including base newspapers, capitalize the word "soldier" from now on.
"The change gives Soldiers the respect and importance they've always deserved, especially now in their fight against global terrorism," stated an October directive from Office of the Chief of Public Affairs, Department of the Army.
Schoomaker also has ordered his wordsmiths to ask the editors of Webster's dictionary and the Associated Press Stylebook to make the change as well. Webster's and the AP Stylebook are the reference books used by most newspapers, including Stars and Stripes.
"We've contacted the AP folks and they said they will consider it," said Master Sgt. Jon Connor, chief of Army newspapers. "But if the change comes out it won't be in the next book."
Phone calls last week to Schoomaker's public affairs office were not returned.
While military officials may be able to order public affairs personnel to change their releases, they do not have any command over the English language, according to those who would allow the change of "soldier" to "Soldier" in the dictionary.
"I don't see how he could do that," said Jim Lowe, an editor at Merriam-Webster in Springfield, Mass. "The word (soldier) is already established in the language. It's a generic word.
"He can capitalize it if he wants to give it emphasis and make it stand out in text. As far as the dictionary is concerned, it's still a generic word. I don't think one person's use of it will change anything in the dictionary."
However, the word "Marine" is capitalized by both the AP and Webster's when referring to a member of the United States Marine Corps.
Merriam's Lowe didn't seem to know why.
The Chicago Manual of Style by the University of Chicago Press does not capitalize Marine. A receptionist there said no editors or professors were available to answer why the Chicago manual did not capitalize Marine.
The University of Minnesota style manual also does not capitalize Marine. The person there who could answer the question was not at work on Friday, according to her answering machine.
Webster's and AP capitalize neither "sailor" when referring to a member of the U.S. Navy nor "airman" when referring to a member of the U.S. Air Force.
However, the Air Force is getting into the style act, too.
Effective Jan. 1, all Air Force public affairs products will require courtesy titles when referring to someone for the second time, different from AP style.
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For example, U.S. Air Forces in Europe Commander Gen. Robert H. Foglesong will no longer be "Foglesong" on second reference. He will be "Gen. Foglesong."
"As a [public affairs] professional, you hold enormous power and affect people's attitudes with the way you communicate to people inside and outside the Air Force," wrote Brig. Gen. Fred Roggero, the Air Force's public affairs boss, in a letter explaining the change.
Dr. Mario Garcia, president of Tampa-based Garcia Media and an authority on newspaper design, noted that Webster's and AP both capitalize Web and Internet.
Garcia said some of his colleagues believe that capitalizing words other than proper nouns and the first words of sentences makes the English language more confusing.
As for Garcia's own opinion: "Right now, I'd say that out of respect for the important work these people do, I'd have nothing against capitalizing the word to attach more importance to them," he wrote in an e-mail to Stars and Stripes.
Ugh. I got out just as McPeak's "United Airlines" uniforms came online, and was glad to go. Now there's another 10 years later? Doesn't the USAF have better things to do with their time? And after the past decade of pushing the "futuristic, high-tech Air Force", they go to a throwback, retro uniform? Too many guys with too much time on their hands.
although I'm still not capitalizing "soldier" or "marine" on an internet forum
"marine," when not referring to the institution itself (USMC), is not a proper noun. Therefore it doesn't get capitalized. It may be a "title" but titles are not inherently capitalized.
If youre going to make that arguement it should be made for all services, because all servicemembers have to "earn" their title.
If you wrote "Hey, that guy's a Cowboy" when referring to somone who is a member of the Dallas Cowboys, as opposed to just some random guy who wears boots, a big hat, and works with cattle, you'd capitalize Cowboy right?
Same thing as referring to a Marine who is a member of the United States Marine Corps.
I don't see the word soldier anywhere in United States Army though.