Reply With QuoteI didnt think the Tonal made it off the drawing board, we wanted more nations involved but the British opted to buy Apaches and the French and Germans went off to make the tiger. As always you can still correct me!Originally Posted by easyand
easyand - I think you have lost the point I was raising. Who cares if you can win a battle against a relatively unsophisticated force. If you have lost the respect and trust of the people, what have you won?
I didnt think the Tonal made it off the drawing board, we wanted more nations involved but the British opted to buy Apaches and the French and Germans went off to make the tiger. As always you can still correct me!
xie- anyone else can say to have won in Irak? anyone got respect and trust of the people? about unsophisticated forces never understimate them, they often defeate powerful armies, we have many examples even recently
I would argue that in certain areas and at certain times they have, yes!
Yes, you simply need to adjust your definition so that it fits what you want it to fit.
You do realize that there are less Australian troops with by far less equipment to "overwatch" both the Dhi Qar and the (turbulent) Muthanna than those Italy had deployed for "operation Porta Pia", don't you?
When Lt Col Noble went to Iraq, in the Dhi Qar the job was already done and it was all done by American, Italian, Portuguese and Romanian troops. Couldn't it be that the Italian mission was really accomplished, despite not being quite the same kind of accomplishment preferred by, say, the USMC?
Dardos at exercise Urgent Quest in summer 2006 in UK
http://plainmilitaryvisitor.tripod.com/id18.html
Urgent Quest 2006, uh? Nice find!
Italian air force: F-16
Last edited by Valerio Massimo; 03-03-2007 at 05:28 AM.
Italian air force: eurofighter "typhoon" (from www.eurofighter.com )
(from internet)
besides not fixing the Dutch contingents internet the Italians had nothing to do with Al Muthanna ... and when did it become turbulent?
Italian air force: Panavia-Tornado (from internet)
Italian air force: Alenia-Aermacchi-Embraer AMX (from internet)
You are right. Maybe I ought to edit that post, or it might sound like botched sarcasm.
Now what I meant to say was precisely that the Australians have less troops for two provinces than the Italians had in one of those two, more specifically less than the troops deployed for the first "battle for the bridges".
I heard nothing but good stories of the Italians in Iraq ... they just didn't show up to fix the internet as was agreed so some very unlucky dutchers that were busy doing something else had to be flown in to do it
one of our helicopters did participate in the medevac during that large suicide attack on one of the camps but the soldier they flew out died onboard
anyways, I think the mission should've been done like the one in southern Iraq now instead of just sticking to our own respective islands, then there is a relative reserve for when things heat up
Taranto naval base:
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