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    Looks like a delay in Thailand on the 2nd batch.

    RTAF planned to buy batch 2 from its own pocket without asking for more funds but now the government stuck its hands into that same pocket...

    ACM Ittha**** is to say the least, fuming.

    Jet purchase plan shelved by air force

    Commander grumbles about govt budget cuts
    By: WASSANA NANUAM
    Published: 9/05/2009 at 12:00 AM
    Newspaper section: News

    Budget cuts have compelled the air force to shelve its planned purchase of six more Swedish-made Gripen fighters.


    As the government decided on Wednesday to slash the defence budget for the next fiscal year from 171 billion to 151 billion baht, the air force had to ditch its plan to order six more Gripen fighter jets worth 15 billion baht, commander Ittha**** Subhawong said.

    The air force has already bought six Gripen jets worth 19 billion baht with the planes due for delivery next year.

    The air force needs the other six Gripen jets to complete a fleet of 12 that will replace its ageing F-5 fighters scheduled to be decommissioned in 2011.

    With only six Gripen jets, the air force was not confident of protecting national security, according to the air force chief, who also warned that the decision would weaken national defence where competitive weaponry is vital.

    "This affects the potential of the armed forces because they need modern weaponry. If we must defend the nation with weapons that cannot match [our enemies'] or are outdated, nobody will have respect for us," ACM Ittha**** said.

    He said that the six other Gripen jets were necessary for national defence.

    "We must explain what is essential and need a review from the government. Weapons result in national security. Without strong defences, neighbours will not have respect for us.

    "We, all soldiers, are ready to sacrifice our lives for the nation but in any fight we must have competitive weaponry. The life of every soldier is valuable. If a conflict erupts and we have weapons that do not compare, soldiers will be killed," he said.

    The Swedish fighters will be stationed at the air force base in Surat Thani to protect the Gulf of Thailand, the Andaman Sea and all areas in the southern region of the country.

    The air force plans to use them as its main fighters instead of the F-16 jets used now.

    The Defence Ministry was one of the agencies hit hardest by the budget cuts, implemented because government revenues have fallen short of target and the need to raise money to pay for economic stimulus schemes.

    A ministry source said there was a question whether relations between the Democrat Party-led coalition and the armed forces would sour because the armed forces had supported the government but received budgetary reductions in return.
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...d-by-air-force

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    Oh thank. I'm just gonna post it.

    Government cut Armed Force budget by 20,000 million Baht ($540 million) out of 150,000 million Baht they got. RTA got a largest portion with 10,000 million baht and other service branch share another 10,000 million baht.

    It come with no surprise concerning the current economic situation. The delay is surely come up now. But one way or another they will pursue for another six. With only six jet is more like an aerobatic team than a worth fighter sqn. They look to sign the second batch contact in 2010 but it maybe delay to 2011 or something. or if they just want the same old sechdule they need to delay the other project, which I support this idea. They uses the money from their own pocket. If they fail to orders another six they can put the blame to no one.

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    So how many Gripens are left for assembly? I believe some for S.Africa and Thailand? Any more?
    Whats the situation for the production line of the Gripen? How long will it be open without additional orders? Will there be a drop in the production rate like we saw with the Rafale?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    So how many Gripens are left for assembly? I believe some for S.Africa and Thailand? Any more?
    Whats the situation for the production line of the Gripen? How long will it be open without additional orders? Will there be a drop in the production rate like we saw with the Rafale?
    There's 56 C/D jets left to be delivered (62 if Thailand exercises their option) and they will be contractually handed over between now and 2014 (2017 with options).

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    Maybe next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    So how many Gripens are left for assembly? I believe some for S.Africa and Thailand? Any more?
    Whats the situation for the production line of the Gripen? How long will it be open without additional orders? Will there be a drop in the production rate like we saw with the Rafale?


    You have the Sout African order(26 Gripens, 7 delivered?) and the Thailand order(6 Gripens), 32 Gripens. Delivery should be complete by 2012.

    You also have the conversion of older A/B Gripens to C/D-standard for the SWAF.

    So, something like 25 new Gripens remain to be produced. We have three more years of production.

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    According to Saab, there's between 4-5 years of work in the assembly hall building Gripens under firm contracts. 3 years of assembly using all new parts. + 1-2 years of additional assembly time using some refurbished parts. The build of additional c/d jets for the SwAF is done like the other jets except some components on the shelf is refurbished.


    Saab AB Annual General Meeting
    April 16, 2009
    Åke Svensson, CEO

    To date, five nations have chosen Gripen as the foundation of their future air force. In addition to Sweden, Hungary and Czech Republic have received all the aircraft they ordered. Deliveries to South Africa began last year and thus far they have received five aircraft. The aircraft that Thailand has ordered will be supplied in 2011, and production work has begun. In addition, Sweden has ordered the upgrade of 31 Gripen to the latest C/D version, which we will be working on until 2014.

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    Also R&D;

    We also received additional orders earlier this year to support the Gripen system’s operating capabilities and study its future capabilities. Together, these orders are worth around SEK 1.5 billion. For us at Saab, this will secure development work in several locations, primarily Linköping, Stockholm and Göteborg.
    Talked to Saab Microwave last week btw. Selecting Selex has not at all changed their plans for a > 1000 element AESA. Despite rumours on less intelligent blogs.
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    That was enlightening, thanks gents...

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    Some relevance to the Gripen program with this.

    [SIZE="4"]More Electrical Research Aircraft in the air[/SIZE]

    More Electrical Research Aircraft (MERA) took-off from the Saab airfield today with test pilot Fredrik Müchler at the controls. MERA is a research project that is focusing on the development of a powerful electric propulsion system.


    Image: Up to 1,000 metres MERA were towed, thereafter it flew by its own engines. Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

    2009-05-13 |

    MERA is a project that was started on the initiative of the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration, FMV. The aim is to increase knowledge about future electronic power technology with high currents and voltages. In this case, it was mainly electric motors, power electronics and batteries. The project's goal was to develop a demonstrator which would complete a number of flight passes using the new electric propulsion system.

    "The flight went well. We made two passes and managed a top speed of 250 km/h," says test pilot Fredrik Müchler after landing.

    Powerful batteries

    The platform for the demonstrator is a powered sailplane whose original internal combustion engine has been replaced by the new electric propulsion system.

    "The electric motor is driven by powerful lithium-ion batteries which provide 20 kilowatts with a thrust of about 600 to 700 N," says Jan Hansson, project manager for MERA at Saab Aerosystems.

    Using the new propulsion system, the aircraft can cover a distance of just over 200 kilometres.


    Image: MERA took-off from Saab airfield in Linköping, Sweden, this morning. Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

    Green technology

    The project has required those involved to have a practical knowledge of handling high voltage levels and the lithium-ion batteries have also been trialled during a few Gripen test flights.

    "In environmental terms, electric motor applications are the sound of the future in aircraft. Everything is about energy optimisation, which is part of the EU project JTI Clean Sky, in order to develop more environmentally-friendly aircraft", says Jan Hansson.

    "We are considering using lithium-ion batteries in future versions of Gripen. They are vastly more powerful and lighter than the old batteries”, says Jan Hansson.

    A spin-off from the MERA project has been the electric cylinder actuators, which Saab sold to the Boeing 787.

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    A quick modification to the by Caprice posted list of airshow dates: old and unconfirmed deleted, new added.

    Gripen Airshows 2009

    Sweden:

    * Älmhult Airshow, the 16th of May.
    * F 7 "Airforce base day", the 17 of May.
    * Gothenburg airshow(Aeroseum), the 29-30 of August.

    • Studentiaden, Campus Valla, Linköping 090515 flyover
    • Nordiska Kamratföreningen, F 17 090612 11.30
    • Ängelholms aeromuseum 5 år, Ängelholm 090612 13.30
    • GFU-examen, Malmen 090618
    • Volvo Ocean Race, Stockholm 090621
    • Baltic Sea Festival, Karlshamn 090718 12.30
    • Air festival Borlänge, Dala-Järna 090808-09
    • Sail Karlskrona, Karlskrona 090814
    • Sail Karlskrona, Karlskrona 090815
    • Borås Airshow, Borås 090816
    • MVM Flygfemkamp, Uppsala 090818
    • Garnisonens dag FMTS, Halmstad 090906
    • Garnisonens dag F 17, F 17 090917


    Denmark:

    * Roskilde Airshow, the 22-23th of August.

    UK:

    * RIAT(Royal International Air Tattoo), the 18-19th of July.
    2 x JAS 39C Flying and Static F 7

    Hungary:

    * The International Air Show and Military Display, the 1st and 2nd of August on Kecskemét AFB.

    Czech Republic

    • Plasy Airshow day, the 1-2 of May
    • Open day 2009, Caslav 090523
    • Czech International Air Fest Brno, the 5-6th of September.


    Poland:

    * Radom airshow, the 29-30th of August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    A spin-off from the MERA project has been the electric cylinder actuators, which Saab sold to the Boeing 787.
    Well, this has to be the news. The MERA itself is easily outperformed by any glider, at least in daytime.

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    Anyone who knows anything about Saab's progress in the South Korean fighter KF-X procurement?

    As it says in the article Saab is one of the bidders.




    [SIZE="3"][CENTER]South Korea Seeks to Build Semi-Stealth Fighter[/CENTER][/SIZE]


    [SIZE="1"]The Korea Times
    05-12-2009
    By Jung Sung-ki
    Staff Reporter[/SIZE]


    ...The Air Force Studies and Analyses Wing, in charge of force improvement plans, held a close-door meeting in March and made an interim decision on operational requirements for the KF-X fighter, the source told The Korea Times on condition of anonymity.

    Basic requirements call for a F-18E/F Super Hornet-class aircraft equipped with 4.5-generation semi-stealth functions, a domestically-built active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, a 32,000-pound of engine thrust and fully integrated weapons and sensors systems, he said.

    The KF-X aircraft would be either a single-engine fighter or a twin-engine one, he added.

    It is the first time that KF-X operational requirements have been revealed.

    ...A DAPA (The Defense Acquisition Program Administration) public affairs officer said a final decision on the KF-X program would be decided by November or December after a feasibility study.

    ...The program appeared to have received a boost under the previous Roh Moo-hyun administration, which puts a high emphasis on developing "self-reliant'' defense capabilities.

    But the fate of the KF-X has been controversial in recent years due to technological and financial constraints.

    ...Major foreign bidders for the KF-X include Boeing of the U.S., the European consortium of EADS and Sweden's Saab, the source said.

    "Technology transfer will be a key element in selecting a foreign KF-X partner,'' he said.

    Among the bidders, Boeing is the most active in offering technology transfer options, he noted, adding the U.S. aircraft giant is proposing to offer the basic platform of the F/A-18 Super Hornet and other 4.5-generation fighter technologies.


    Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...205_44789.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    A quick modification to the by Caprice posted list of airshow dates: old and unconfirmed deleted, new added.
    Gripen won't be at Paris airshow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    Gripen won't be at Paris airshow?
    Probably not going to be there no...

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    Few weeks ago I posted what was actually a old piece of news (January 2008) that Sweden was conducting studies for a air combat system 2020. This week another report came out and now it mentions a Air System 2025.. I don't know if it's a typo, another one, or that it replaced the FS 2020 (Most likely).

    But it's related to Gripen either way.


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    But like the research into a theoretical E/F version (NG version) that began even before the C/D hit the market it is totally normal for the defence to run these studies to see what future product would be suitable for the armed forces quite a bit up the future. Basically it's about having a readiness. Then it's up to money and politics to decide if anything will happen.

    There's alot that can be done with the Gripen system as it is firmly cutting edge on the systems side, limitations is primary on airframe but that can also be addressed like the K-FX idea or by 'smaller' adjustments like what's done with the NG program. In respect to stealth design and VLO Saab has years of practical research primarly on its UAV side which led to some interesting responsibility on the full-scaled Neuron program, a program Sweden joined with the argument that it would support the Gripen future development.

    The report which is about creating a more efficient military support structure and pass savings to the operative side also mentions that marketing unit Gripen International spent 12 million SEK at FOI the Defence rersearch agency during 2008 (home of FLSC among things) and during the sale to Thailand some 50 people was involved most of them on location in Thailand. The report also recommends a new export support agency to be attached to the defense department under which gov-2-gov deals etc can be accomplished since FMV and FOI is suggested to be cleaned up and merged.

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    Q. Will Sweden continue to invest in and build its Air Force around the Gripen?

    A. Of course. The Gripen is the core of our Air Force and of air forces in several other countries. It is a very cost-efficient and highly capable system. We will see to it that the Gripen remains very capable and competitive until 2040 or so.
    Defence News Interview: Sten Tolgfors Minister of Defence
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    Default a wrap up of a rather slow week..



    Yes, We Can Has.

    A Cover Girl.

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    We are proud that our Gripen fighters are now policing the skies over the Baltic states. Gripen is a superior combat aircraft which perfectly serves the needs of the Czech Air Force. Gripen also enables us to shoulder our responsibilities within the NATO air policing mission,” says Petr Mikulenka, Base Commander Čáslav Air force Base.

    link


    Czech pilots first in action in Baltic

    published: 22.05.2009, 10:03 | updated: 22.05.2009 10:27:49

    Klaipeda - Czech pilots of the Jas-39 Gripen fighters who have protected the airspace of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia within NATO since May were used for the first time on Thursday, spokesman David Schreier from the command Air Policing told CTK today.

    They intervened against a civilian plane that violated the no-fly border zone between Lithuania and Russia, monitoring it until its landing near Klaipeda, Schreier said.





    Pilots Roman Svoboda and Jiri Cermak saw a plane with German immatriculation that violated the no-fly border zone nine minutes after it took off, Schreier said.

    However, they did not manage to establish radio communication with its crew on the international emergency frequency.

    Due to this, the control centre ordered them to fly closer to the watched aircraft in order to find out whether anything unusual occurred on its board.

    After this alternative was ruled out the pilots monitored the aircraft until its landing, Schreier said, adding that the civilian aircraft would be now investigated for violation of the rules by the Lithuanian Office for Civilian Aviation.

    Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, former republics of the Soviet Union, do not have their own fighter planes to protect their airspace.

    Czech Jas-39 Gripens will patrol the airspace in the Baltic countries for four months.

    Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia have been protected by NATO since 2004. Czechs are in the 20th contingent of the mission planned at least until 2011.
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    Thanks to 211.sqn for the photos who now also got fan items...








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    According to scramble.nl this is the currently expected participants at Loyal Arrow next month...

    No Rafales or Eurofighters up here as usual (maybe those aren't part of NRF yet?) but great to see some Eagles and Harriers come play. The British and Americans has also requested to conduct live firing exercises at the Vidsel base.



    08-06/18-06

    Oulu, FIN + FA-18C/D FinnAF
    Bodø, N + F-16MLU RNoAF
    Orland, N 1x E-3A NATO NAEW&CF

    Lulea-Kallax, S
    + Tornado IDS GAF JBG32
    + Tornado ItAF
    + F-16C/D PolAF
    + MiG29 PolAF
    1x C-130H PortAF Esq501
    + F-16 PortAF
    3x Hkp10 (AS332) RSwedAF
    + JAS39 RSwedAF F21
    + Sk60 (Saab105) RSwedAF F21
    + F-16C/D TuAF
    + F-15E USAF 48FW
    1x KC-135R USAF 100ARW
    2x Da20E civil FRA

    Satenas, S 1x Tp84 (C-130) RSwedAF F7

    Vidsel, S + JAS39 RSwedAF F17

    HMS Ark Royal + Harrier RAF/RN at sea
    The Swedish Armed forces has discovered Youtube. Since Loyal Arrow is mainly hosted at F 21 here's one of their old Swedish presentation videos (with some footage from NoAM):

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    Thanks Sig.

    liked the vid.

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