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    Quote Originally Posted by Brez View Post
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    Thanks for you great posts. Can you help me in finding more information about the BOQ X300, for the Gripen. I have done all the usual Google searches but I have found very little info on it.
    Obviously all EA systems are classified, but usually there are at least a few capabilities briefs or news clippings around.

    Thank you in advance

    Brez
    It's not very much "Important" information about it on for the public, with all right. because it comes down to frequences and software. higly classified. its here the difference and supiority comes into play.

    so please be more specific what exactly do you want to know?

    The BOQ-X300 High Performance Jammer Pod is the latest in a series of jammer pods developed and manufactured by Saab. The pod is a modular system that integrates a sophisticated jammer supported by a RWR and ESM system. As an option the pod can be configured with a dual fibre optic towed decoy to provide inherent effective countermeasures against monopulse threats.
    Missions
    The BOQ-X300 provides self-protection for high value assets such as fighter, attack and reconnaissance aircraft. The pod is designed to suppress legacy threats up to the latest threats, surface based as well as airborne. A secondary usage for the pod is to provide jamming for training of radar operators in airborne as well as ground or sea-based environments. As a training jammer the BOQ-X300 is a part of the Saab REWTS (Re-sponsive Electronic Warfare Training System) concept.

    Technical attributes
    The BOQ-X300 is a state of the art design incorporating the latest in hardware and software technology. The modern design provides high performance and functionality combined with high reliability and maintainability.
    Source SAABGROUP.

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    OT: Zeven, because my request is off topic, I will not go into further detail. The only reason why I posted here is that I have read many of you know the Gripen very well therefore may have seen capabilities briefs or sources that may shed more light on the capabilities of the BOQ X300 paired with a Gripen. Why? Because if you want to hide from a radar you have two current choices; Stealth or EA. Gripen has one.
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    PS due to OT of this line I will no longer respond to questions, but I welcome all info someone may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brez View Post
    Signatory,

    Thanks for you great posts. Can you help me in finding more information about the BOQ X300, for the Gripen. I have done all the usual Google searches but I have found very little info on it.
    Obviously all EA systems are classified, but usually there are at least a few capabilities briefs or news clippings around.

    Thank you in advance

    Brez
    Such items are quite sensitive and details are very likely classified. As you have googled you probably found the description Zeven quoted for you from http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Products...oductId%3D1040

    But one can make a general observation and see that Gripen is a fully multirole aircraft that has entirely replaced all of the mostly specialised versions of Viggen. Such as fighter, attack, recce and jammer versions and only the types of weapons or pods carried decide the capability of the individual aircraft. For example the different recce versions is being replaced by a recce pod that is more capable than a specialised aircraft.

    The dedicated jammer Viggen is also retired and it is therefore quite possible that this jammer pod together with the internal EW suite and the low RCS is considered a capable replacement. This is my speculation, but I think it has strong merits.

    I dont consider this OT, it is quite important capability of the JAS Gripen system. The problem is just that hard facts are hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brez View Post
    OT: Zeven, because my request is off topic, I will not go into further detail. The only reason why I posted here is that I have read many of you know the Gripen very well therefore may have seen capabilities briefs or sources that may shed more light on the capabilities of the BOQ X300 paired with a Gripen. Why? Because if you want to hide from a radar you have two current choices; Stealth or EA. Gripen has one.
    Cheers
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    One is enough. if it does the job well. and your conlutions are to simple for my taste.
    its alot of different factors that comes into play.

    is gripen the defending or the attacking side? what kind of support. a gripen with awac support will most likely have an advantage to see an enemy with no support. ground radars are stronger than platform based ones..
    tactics datalinking plays a huge role too.

    The Gripen platform is optimized for defending large territory in cooparation with other radar units.

    when it comes to the EW performance of Gripen, you've plenty of information from a variarity of excerices like Redflag. where Gripens EW combined low RCS have proved itself very very well. you really can't pick out one or 2 systems and build an opinion, but you need to see how all systems work together as one. (data fusion) Then HMI is in my opinion far more important. state of that art HMI will give any pilot an advantage.

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    Don't know if you have found this Brez, a quote from the "EW handbook 2008". It's more or less a repetition of what's been said but hints the frequencies covered:
    BOQ X300
    High-end jammer pod for self-protection, escort and stand-off
    jamming, suitable for fast jets. Can be configured for any
    combination of bands 2-6, 6-18, 18-40 GHz. Based on a modular
    architecture, it can be fitted with conventional or electronically
    scanned antennas. Features a self-contained, high-performance
    RWR.
    http://www.aerospace-index.com/image...ai/ewh2008.pdf (Page 31)

    Question mark on the last sentence, I think they mean that RWR is part of the whole EW system as mentioned in *zevens* post above?

    Gripen can(when integrated) carry BOQ X300 on pylon 4 and 2R. That would imply it can carry two pods to jam different bands (or just that the jamming capability is there even if station 4 is occupied?)?

    (With reservation that I'm totally clueless regarding EW. )

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    Since Gripen's internally integrated jammer is going to be upgraded it would also influence the included functionality on the ECM Pod BOQ-X310 so like zeven said there's not that much to talk about.

    I feel comfortable with that Saab can deliver what is required in the future and for the most part the internal EWS would today hold up nicely towards most 20th century radar based systems out there by playing it smart rather than brute. The bands and functionality that has been included was not picked by random. * And stealth only reduce detection range.. and is excellent for some things but going up against 21st century sams - you would want good EW - stealth or not. In my humble opinion good EW + good tactical training is key to 21st century survivability.


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    One Example:

    Per public information at Jane's:

    The internal Gripen jammer works according to fairly old info at Jane's with H, I, J bands on 6-20 Ghz, while the well known Russian 5N63/30N6 tracking radar works on I and J-band 8 to 20 GHz.

    Used for tracking and missile guidance radar for the Almaz S-300P (NATO Reporting Name SA-10a 'Grumble'), S-300PM (NATO Reporting Name SA-10b 'Grumble') and S-300PMU1 (NATO Reporting Name SA-10c 'Grumble') Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems. NATO reporting name 'Flap Lid'.

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    The full possible kit:

    [IMG]http://i39.*******.com/307w4dxdotjpg[/IMG]
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    Seems as even Denmark is postponing their buy...



    [SIZE="3"][CENTER]Denmark Pushes Fighter Decision to Fall[/CENTER][/SIZE]


    DEFENCE NEWS
    By GERARD O'DWYER
    Published: 30 Apr 2009


    HELSINKI - In a surprise development, Denmark has delayed the announcement of its combat fighter selection decision to September or October, instead giving priority to completion of a national defense strategy (NDS), which is taking longer than anticipated to prepare.

    Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...36&c=EUR&s=AIR

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    Yeah, I think I wrote something about that 3 weeks ago....

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    Mil.se uploaded a short CAS video but mostly with Swedish blah blah so I did another quick video edit.. and included a vid from EODSWE too. I hope it's decent enough.



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    And just to confuse everyone with acronyms... sounds like Vidsel is moving forward with the plans to build up a EW exercise capability there.

    Heriot-Watt company to develop system key to NATO training

    The Heriot-Watt IT company Computer Application Services (CAS) has developed an IT system which will be critical to the success of a major NATO exercise taking place in Sweden in June 2009.

    The software development and IT services company, established in 1969 is based at Heriot-Watt's Edinburgh Research Park. CAS supply application development, software support and IT consultancy services to public and private sector organisations throughout Europe.

    CAS has secured an order from Sweden to develop a system which will provide a realistic Electronic Warfare training environment for NATO aircrew at the Vidsel range in the far north of the country. Electronic Warfare (EW) ranges allow aircrew to practice the tactics necessary to defeat ground based antiaircraft systems. CASí contract with the Swedish Defence Administration (FMV) is to develop a system called VIEWS in time for NATO exercise Loyal Arrow this summer.

    Jan Unander, FMV Marketing Director, comments "Loyal Arrow is a once in a life time exercise, so it has to be right first time. The CAS developed VIEWS system is a key element in providing the level of EW training which is essential for exercise success. CAS is working very closely with us to ensure that the system is installed and ready by June. In the longer term, the CAS system will provide the strategically important EW capability for the Vidsel range."

    There are two other Electronic Warfare Tactics Ranges in Europe and they also rely on CAS systems, RAF Spadeadam in the north of England and the Tri-National Polygone facility in Germany. Over 80 NATO squadrons operating from over 40 bases in seven countries currently use these facilities.

    Squadron Leader Steve Gagen (Retired), formerly Officer Commanding Operations at RAF Spadeadam, has worked with CAS for a number of years and had this to say, "The Swedes visited RAF Spadeadam and were very impressed by the facilities that we have. Spadeadam provides a variety of ground based threat simulators and instrumented weapon systems which simulate possible threats to aircraft. These threats are all controlled by the CAS systems and they all feed back data, in real-time, to a co-ordination centre, where it is fused with positional information from the various tracking radars. Within 20 minutes of the mission ending this processed data is sent to the aircrew's home base for immediate replay and analysis. This timely distribution of post mission information, coupled with the ability to replay the mission whilst it is still fresh in the pilots mind, maximises the value of every training sortie."

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    Just notice this on the web.

    No serious but it make me think that NGO all over the world have one thing in common .... they only try to do some silly thing ...... and it demonstrate how great the survivability of the Gripen.

    [SIZE="4"]Sentenced for Attempting to Damage Warplane to Thailand[/SIZE]

    Three Swedish peace activists from the group Avrusta (Disarm), whose mission is to stop Sweden from exporting weapons, have been sentenced to prison for their attempt to destroy three warplanes in March.

    According to Sveriges Radio (SR), the would-be saboteurs were given between four and six months in jail and ordered to pay Saab 150,000 kronor in damages. On 22 March, Annika Spalde, Pelle Strindlund, and Martin Smedjeback cut through a fence surrounding the Saab Aerospace Systems’ Linkoping facility and entered a secure area with the intent of destroying three Saab Gripen fighter jets.

    The Local reports that after the three activists entered the complex they observed a minute of silence for victims of global poverty, then tried to enter the hangar where three Gripen planes were housed. Armed with sledgehammers, the three had planned to beat the million-dollar fighter jets to an unusable state. However, their plans were thwarted when an alarm went off while trying to break into the hangar.

    When a guard arrived, the three activists quickly surrendered. The three Gripen jets were bound for South Africa and Thailand. During their trial, the activists argued that their actions were justifiable, as they wanted to prevent the jets from going to nations in conflict. Neither Thailand nor South Africa is in the midst of any major war. The court rejected their argument, basing their decision on a looser description of self defence. Instead, the court sided with the prosecutors and convicted them all for attempted sabotage.

    Created 2009-05-04
    Original news source: http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009...ane-vandalism/

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    god damn idiots. first of all, they should really take a look at the world, then, take an economy course. and for god sake. grow some braincells, if your believe state of the art multi million applications don't have anykind of protection Alram systems when not supervised you've to be stupid

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    Great! NFFP has been very successful.

    [SIZE="4"]Increased aeronautical research[/SIZE]

    A new and extended agreement regarding aeronautical research has been signed between the Swedish State and the Swedish aerospace industry. SEK 440 million is to be invested from 2009 to 2012.

    2009-05-06 | The National Aviation Engineering Research Programme (NFFP) has been operating since 1993 and is an agreement between the Swedish State in the form of the work of the Vinnova innovation system, the Armed Forces and the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration, FMV, on the one hand and industry including Saab and Volvo Aero Corporation, on the other. Research projects within NFFP are also being carried out in collaboration between the industry and the country's universities and colleges. The industry is contributing with its own work equivalent to the amount that the State is providing for researchers at universities and colleges.

    50 percent increase

    When the agreement was signed before Easter regarding the new phase of NFFP, called NFFP5, this represented an increased contribution of approximately 50 percent. SEK 440 million will be invested in research within the aviation field over the next four years.

    "Of course it is very positive that the state is continuing to invest in aeronautical research. This also strengthens our ability to participate in international collaborations," says Lennart Sindahl who is Vice President at Saab.
    http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRel...l_research.htm

    http://www.vinnova.se/Verksamhet/Tra...ngsprogrammet/

    This pic illustrates how the different R&D programs contribute to product development.



    Shouldn't need to translate that I think...
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    Some short info from Brazil. Don't think I've seen it in the thread yet.

    [*******black]May 4/09: Brazil’s FAB issues a release, announcing that revised offers from the participating companies were submitted to F-X2 Project Management (GPF-X2). The companies are listed, and it’s the same list as the finalists and original submissions listed on Feb 2/09: Boeing, Dassault, and Saab. No Russian firms listed.[/COLOR]
    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...179/#more-4179

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    Looks like a delay in Thailand on the 2nd batch.

    RTAF planned to buy batch 2 from its own pocket without asking for more funds but now the government stuck its hands into that same pocket...

    ACM Ittha**** is to say the least, fuming.

    Jet purchase plan shelved by air force

    Commander grumbles about govt budget cuts
    By: WASSANA NANUAM
    Published: 9/05/2009 at 12:00 AM
    Newspaper section: News

    Budget cuts have compelled the air force to shelve its planned purchase of six more Swedish-made Gripen fighters.


    As the government decided on Wednesday to slash the defence budget for the next fiscal year from 171 billion to 151 billion baht, the air force had to ditch its plan to order six more Gripen fighter jets worth 15 billion baht, commander Ittha**** Subhawong said.

    The air force has already bought six Gripen jets worth 19 billion baht with the planes due for delivery next year.

    The air force needs the other six Gripen jets to complete a fleet of 12 that will replace its ageing F-5 fighters scheduled to be decommissioned in 2011.

    With only six Gripen jets, the air force was not confident of protecting national security, according to the air force chief, who also warned that the decision would weaken national defence where competitive weaponry is vital.

    "This affects the potential of the armed forces because they need modern weaponry. If we must defend the nation with weapons that cannot match [our enemies'] or are outdated, nobody will have respect for us," ACM Ittha**** said.

    He said that the six other Gripen jets were necessary for national defence.

    "We must explain what is essential and need a review from the government. Weapons result in national security. Without strong defences, neighbours will not have respect for us.

    "We, all soldiers, are ready to sacrifice our lives for the nation but in any fight we must have competitive weaponry. The life of every soldier is valuable. If a conflict erupts and we have weapons that do not compare, soldiers will be killed," he said.

    The Swedish fighters will be stationed at the air force base in Surat Thani to protect the Gulf of Thailand, the Andaman Sea and all areas in the southern region of the country.

    The air force plans to use them as its main fighters instead of the F-16 jets used now.

    The Defence Ministry was one of the agencies hit hardest by the budget cuts, implemented because government revenues have fallen short of target and the need to raise money to pay for economic stimulus schemes.

    A ministry source said there was a question whether relations between the Democrat Party-led coalition and the armed forces would sour because the armed forces had supported the government but received budgetary reductions in return.
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...d-by-air-force

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    Oh thank. I'm just gonna post it.

    Government cut Armed Force budget by 20,000 million Baht ($540 million) out of 150,000 million Baht they got. RTA got a largest portion with 10,000 million baht and other service branch share another 10,000 million baht.

    It come with no surprise concerning the current economic situation. The delay is surely come up now. But one way or another they will pursue for another six. With only six jet is more like an aerobatic team than a worth fighter sqn. They look to sign the second batch contact in 2010 but it maybe delay to 2011 or something. or if they just want the same old sechdule they need to delay the other project, which I support this idea. They uses the money from their own pocket. If they fail to orders another six they can put the blame to no one.

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    So how many Gripens are left for assembly? I believe some for S.Africa and Thailand? Any more?
    Whats the situation for the production line of the Gripen? How long will it be open without additional orders? Will there be a drop in the production rate like we saw with the Rafale?

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