'crashed down'.. 'in flames'.. well the media sure knows how to generate site-clicks don't they.
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So best reports from F 17 PO suggest problems with the landing gear on 39.212 (smoke seen ? *) + a belly landing (good job there) + small fire upon landing and instantly extinguished. Pilot opened up and walked away safe. Out of all things that can go wrong... this went damn good.
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http://www.mil.se/sv/Nyheter/central...plan-i-olycka/- We will begin an investigation of the incident according to our normal routines, but after an initial interview with the pilot most suggests that the accident was caused by human error. There is no evidence of a malfunction in the airplane, says air chief inspector, General Anders Silwer.
Last edited by signatory; 08-06-2009 at 11:28 AM.
Yea thats what I thought when I in the firsted sentence read belly crash, and the second said it came to a halt standing on the landing gears. I don't really know why I'm surprised the media got it wrong...Originally Posted by signatory
Not the first time it ended well despite what seemed to be a tricky situation. I think it proves the Gripen is a very safe system.
Yeah if someone would have come to the state and said "We're going to build a whole new unstable airplane with new FCS and all digital controls and we're not going to give you any fatalities in at least 120,000 flight hours" no one would have believed them.. we can thank engineers, tech development, pilot skills and a good portion of luck.
ACM Silwer says everything points to human error after interviewing the pilot.. at the same time the pilot is very experienced so it will be interesting to hear what happened.
So what is the human error? Did he simply forget to extend the landing gear?
From this pic it seems like the landing gear is not extended. He landed on the drop tank which may explain why someone said that the nose wheel landing gear failed. In case of failure he would have used emergency procedures and if that failed, they would have blamed it on technical causes. => Experienced pilot forgets to extend landing gear!
http://www.mil.se/ImageVault/Images/...ndning på F17.
Hey, it's happened before and will be bound to happen again. Landing can be stressful for any pilot
But the aircraft does not look too damaged!
Replace the pitot tube, some of the pylons and scrap the drop tank and then up and flying again?
From what I've read of pilot reports, the Gripen is a pretty self-aware aircraft and its systems are designed to operate in pre-defined modes in order to reduce the possibility of pilot error. For example, to land the aircraft you have to extend the landing gear and flaps in order for the aircraft computers to switch into landing mode and change the HUD display to show landing-specific symbology.
In other words, I don't think it's possible, unless you're completely oblivious to everything the aircraft is saying to you, to forget to put the wheels out when landing in a Gripen. I'd say this was most likely a technical fault, not pilot error.
But the Swedish Air Force states that this was human error after interviews have been held with the pilot...
Time will tell...
Oh right, that'll teach me to read better. I see signatory posted that way back in the first post on this page.
Still, I'd be intrigued to find out just how this happened in that case.
Is the nose cone broken or did the SwAF remove the radar or it's components? Judging from the cone's sealing, I'd guess the latter.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordo...icle614384.ece
What could the pilot have done wrong?google translate
from a witness
So here he told News reporter yesterday:
- It is obvious that it was wrong on the airplane. The pilot did a nice landing, but just when he landed the nose wheel folded. This with the aircraft that it will be technical errors. For Jaspiloten gentle nose wheel together and he was on the nose, "says Jan Synnersten
they might wanna cover it up because its close 2 Brazils decision
I think that Synnersten just wanna create some publicity for his company.. Look at the pictures!! The undercarriage was NOT deployed! What he probably saw was the droptank collapsing or something like that..
And that NyTeknik article is just pure crap, as it says that the pilot ejected(false, canopy still on aircraft) and then did a belly landing(!!), the writer shows that he don't know nothing about aircrafts.
Haha Swedish mediaoh yea now it's a conspiracy and coverup to save the crash-****e 'jas' program... because accepting anything else means that humans CAN make mistakes and if we believe that then we're obviously doomed to be ruled by evil monkeys.
Eh anyway. On that new pic we see a couple of things.. one, there's basically no fire going on and that was taken before they sprayed on foam. Nice. And I think I see the back of the droptank (?) in the shadows on its left-side pointing in the wrong direction. The cone was probably janked open when taking on ground perhaps as the jet spun off and ate grass if I may be speculative...
There's afaik a planned refit for these older C-jets too besides normal Fh service.. for adding NATO-pylons, ILS-antenna and w/e else so hopefully they can fix the rest of the jet at the same time.
Droptank ?
Flashback:
...Published: 01 May 2008
AN RAF Top Gun crash-landed a brand new £69million Typhoon fighter – apparently after FORGETTING to put the wheels down.
The state-of-the-art jet was badly damaged as it skidded along a runway on its belly at 130mph.
An RAF insider said last night: “Everything points to the pilot forgetting to lower the wheels, which does happen from time to time.”
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Evil monkeys I tell ya...
They're watching.
Oh Jesus... That Ny Teknik article and the comments below cracked me up. The lack of knowledge people are willing to show on a internet forum is shocking.
The pic seem to be of the rear of a DT. My guess is that neither the attachment point on the tank, nor the ones on the pylons are stronge enough to cope with the aircraft landing on the tank. I'm acually surprised it didn't come off totally.
Looking closesly on the second picture it seems as the left wing tip pylon was pretty beast up as well. Perhaps it dug into the ground, causing the plane to swing around.
From Brazil it's reported that the Air Force is again delaying their evaluation report to the BrMoD. Already delayed from the turn of the months June/July to July/August it's now looking more like it might happen at the turn of August/September.
Once submitted, the BrMoD will give its report to President Lula who can choose to either directly go with a decision or call in the national political institutions for a debate on the issue.
Sweden is also sending State Secretary HG Wessberg (Defense issues/Prime Minister's Office) to speak for the Gripen at meetings with the MoD and Foreign ministry in the coming weeks.
It has also been reported that the manufactuers is being asked to provide further details on legal issues during this month.
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Over in India it now looks like they will actually start the field trials. At least for one of the contenders.
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