I liked the concept of "the future gripen cockpit".
But how much truth and reality is behind such a major desgin change?
Or have SAAB stated that it will be major upgrades of the cockpit and MFDs ??
Originally Posted by signatory
That's indeed a boost for SAAB, I had some hopes for Alenia Aeronautica.
Pity...
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The "Gripen NG -key benefits" concept mentionnes a HMD (helmet mounted display), any further info?
Is SAAB thinking about DVI (direct voice input) for Gripen NG?
@gripen39, I guess we will have to see... and yes they have said they will test out new cockpit displays in the Gripen demonstrator. Also, in the future the backseat might look different than the front seat (today they got the same displays)... a massive large screen might actually not be the best for a pilot for ergonomical and in-flight reasons but for a systems operator it might just be great...
Well HMD is on order for the 39C/D to the SwAF and SAAF... don't know why they specified it for the NG but I guess it's some marketing reason. It has been used in the Swedish IRIS-T trials and should really be operative in a year.
It's a cousin to the Typhoon HMD...
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Some info about speech... the last document might be interesting.
During the years 2000 and 2001, the speech of eight pilots flying the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft was recorded at Saab in Linkoping. Thirty sentences were recorded on the ground and at different G-loads, with a maximum of 8G. The sentences were spoken in both Swedish and
English.
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Gripens spoted at nellis for Red Flag 2008
Brazil,Turkey,Sweden are at Nellis AFB almost everything is here already excpet the B-52's. The Swedes came in as SWEDISH AIRFORCE.
Cortesy:
www.flickr.com/photos/kriss22photos
Absolutely beautiful pictures! And thanks again for all the interesting news!
The Gen-3 image intensifying tubes (Gen-3+ is not available to SwAF, Gen-3+ handles white-out (from flares) better than Gen-3 tubes) are years late in delivery. The tubes are to be fitted to the Cobra helmet when needed for night flying.Well HMD is on order for the 39C/D to the SwAF and SAAF... don't know why they specified it for the NG but I guess it's some marketing reason. It has been used in the Swedish IRIS-T trials and should really be operative in a year.
It's a cousin to the Typhoon HMD...
link
Some info about speech... the last document might be interesting.
To enhance the speech recognition due to the noicy environment the thesis advocates noice reduction of some sort. The other enhancements the thesis advocates are within the speech recognition "area" and can be handled by the implementer (speaker independent recognition, speech model(s) for different dialects (english with accents: swedish, thai, czech, southafrican and magyar) and pressurized breathing and different g-loads, acoustic model(?)) IMO....
I praktiken krävs dock en bättre igenkänning. Bättre akustiska modeller, någon form av brusreducering, adaptering till den enskilde talaren, och framförallt en språkmodell, skulle bidra till bättre resultat.
I saw an article about Terma having a solution in that area to be implemented in RDAF F-16:s.
Perhaps a possible area to partner up with Saab if their solution is any good or is Terma in "bad standings" since the SPK (Spaningskapsel) fckup?
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There seems to be some additional functionality in Gripen NG's HMD as they mentioned "Full capability HMD" instead of just "HMD" for Gripen C. Have no idea what it could be, though.
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive...ity_89303a.pdf
(Page 16)
They followed it up with an interview of Jakob Bjerkemo.Nice. First time I've seen a useful comment in NyTeknik, generally they are youtube-class
Anyway, it pointed to this interesting SAAB patent: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...DISPLAY=STATUS.
Clever solution to the problem of stealth and having control surfaces in a different plane.
They also "borrowed" the SAAB slides for the P306 for a related article. I referred to signatorys post in a comment to the original NyTeknik article :–Man gör ett z-format veck på sidan av planet. Huvudvingen sitter fast på nedre delen av zetat, och nosvingen på den högre delen. Vecket gör att man kan placera vingarna som man vill men ändå undviker radar
– Det är inte det helt optimala ur signatursynvinkel, men det ger ändå möjlighet att kombinera låg signatur med väldigt god aerodynamik.
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–Normalt går det inte att ge ett plan låg signatur när det finns en nosvinge som sitter nära huvudvingen fast högre upp, så som det gör på Gripen. Men det här är ett trick för att göra det ändå, säger Jakob Bjerkemo.
Alexander Kristofersson, Ny Teknik - 2008-07-14 11:34
Tack för tipsen, nu ligger två nya texter ute!
Tack vare de utmärkta tipsen här i diskussionsforumet kan jag nu publicera två nya texter som jag själv tycker är utmärkt Ny Teknik-läsning: Dels en intervju med Jakob Bjerkemo kring hans patent. Dels en publicering av skissbilderna från Sydkorea, med hänvisning till det presentationsmaterial som det länkas till i ett av de senare inläggen.
Tack till er alla intressanta debattanter, och särskilt tack för tipsen Mr Saab och JohanGrön.
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JohanGrön - 2008-07-12 13:06
P306
Här är en länk som för er vidare till bilder på det förslag till plan som SAAB demade på seminariet i Seoul för tre veckor sedan (26/6).
Det har arbetsnamnet P306 och är tvåmotorigt med tre interna vapenutrymmen, annars direkt nedstigande från 39 Gripen. Det finns även en enmotorig P305:a projekterad!
Ser ut att vara VLO i a2a och LO i a2g. Kan vara bra att positionera sig rätt när man dansar med elefanter
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...&postcount=919
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MR SAAB - 2008-07-10 19:53
Stealth craft patent...
Offentlig handling - OBS - ingen censur tack!
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...DISPLAY=STATUS
För alla oss som vill läsa lite mer.
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Mr Saab - 2008-07-10 08:43
Bjerkemos prestation..
Detta måste vara superingenjören Jakob Bjerkemos helt egna Stelth-patent.
Den killen har en ruskig förmåga. Grattis till en stor prestation!
Att ingen nämner honom är pinsamt, finns inte någon annan ingenjör mig veterligen som konstruerat och patenterat en hel Stealth på egen hand.
Interesting, when is the M-MRCA flight trials?
That is the schedule from a september 2007's Indian Today link - timetable may have changed since then:
Coming Up
- Vendors will respond to RFP with detailed proposals by February 2008.
- On June 9, 2008, vendors have to provide details of defence offsets, i.e., how they plan to invest $5 billion.
- Field trials of all six aircraft will be conducted in India in 2009. All armaments are to be certified.
- IAF will shortlist aircraft, for which MoD will open commercial bids and negotiate with the winning firm.
- The deal will be signed after the Cabinet Committee on Security clears the purchase.
- The first batch of 18 aircraft will be delivered by the manufacturer within four years of the signing of the contract.
- The remaining 108 aircraft are to be built in India by HAL
Farnborough interview with Bob Kemp
Bob Kemp, Gripen International sales director, was interviewed by Bill Sweetman at Farnborough about trends in the worldwide fighter market.
linkPerformance. It's got to work and you've got to guarantee that it will work. So many customers have been disappointed with products that don't do what it says it will do on the can.
Schedule. So many governments have been grossly embarrassed by programs that run years late. The last major Gripen program, the C/D update, came in on time and cost.
Price. If it works and you can deliver it, the price - including operational cost - is extremely important.
Close air support (CAS) missions are becoming more crucial as time goes on, particularly in countries which have supported operations in the Middle East
International politics are less important than they used to be, but domestic issues are more so. (It was the activism of coalition partners that forced the Netherlands government to re-evaluate its choice of the JSF.)
Saab's 2nd Quarter
- Increased sales but marketing efforts and currency exchange eat into profits...
1 SEK = 0.167510 USD
Saab’s order bookings increased during the
first half year to MSEK 12,955 (8,345). The
order backlog amounted to SEK 48.6 billion
(47.8). The international share of the order
backlog was 79 percent (81).
Sales increased to MSEK 11,025 (10,852) and
net income for the period was MSEK 569 (708).
Operating income was MSEK 944 (1,044),
corresponding to an operating margin of 8.6
percent (9.6). The lower operating income
is mainly due to higher marketing expenses
largely related to tenders for Gripen to a
number of countries.
Saab’s business in South Africa and Saab
Grintek has been negatively affected.
During June and the beginning of July
agreements have been closed with new
partners in South Africa, and has already
had a positive impact.
Great interest in Gripen
The next generation of the Gripen fighter
aircraft was unveiled on April 23 and a
month later made its successful maiden
flight. By using a flying test platform called
Gripen Demo, the aircraft can be equipped
with new technology and capabilities
that can serve as the basis of completely
new versions or be integrated into current
versions. Gripen’s development is being
conducted together with leading companies
such as Thales, General Electric,
Volvo Aero, Kongsberg, Rockwell Collins,
Honeywell, APPH, Terma, Martin-Baker
and Meggitt.
Interest in Gripen is greater than ever, as
manifested during the period when Saab
responded to India’s Request for Proposal
for 126 aircraft on the same day, April 28,
that it also participated in the Swedish
Defence Material Administration’s tender
to Norway for 48 aircraft. Market interest
is further confirmed by the tender being
submitted to Switzerland after the end of
the period as well as by the ongoing task of
answering requests from both Brazil and
the Netherlands.
1 USD = 5.96979 SEK
link
Jeez... been lots of marketing news this week... hopefully will calm down a bit now... btw I heard the Czechs did a utterly fantastic air display at RIAT.. if anyone found a full video of that please post us a link!
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Supporting slides
Considering L3 is producing both the displays for the Gripen and the F-35, it's not too far fetched to assume they will at least try the F-35 concept of one giant display.
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