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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    He really was arrested because of the Czech/Gripen deal, I'm not making this up:

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    That's what that article says but like I said it's unclear if that is the case. (further illustrated by a comment today from Austrian party FPÖ who demand another look at the suspicions surrounding the detained count and the Eurofighter deal.)

    EDIT: The authorities has now said the reason for his detention yesterday was not due to the Czech-Gripen allegations.

    Anyway, accusations against BAe Systems sales methods does cover a wide range of equipment and countries, ranging from Ships to Romania, Hawks and Gripens in Africa and Europe to Eurofighters in Saudi Arabia and Austria.

    At least no Swedish company or employees is under investigation and I hope it will stay that way. I also hope Saab continues to clean out the remaining BAe figures in the group.

    Police: Suspect arrested in arms inquiry
    The Associated Press
    Published: February 28, 2009

    VIENNA: Police say that a Viennese count connected to an investigation of Europe's largest defense contractor has been detained.

    They identify the man as Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly. He was previously briefly held in Britain last year in connection with the same investigation into whether BAE Systems PLC offered bribes to secure arms deals.

    Mensdorff-Pouilly was detained Friday. Legal authorities have 48 hours to decide whether to keep him in investigative custody or let him go.

    Both BAE and Mensdorff-Pouilly, who worked as an adviser to the company, have denied wrongdoing.
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    Also, this is about the "24 Gripens" deal in 2001(I think?) which was canceled and not about today's Czech Gripen fleet which was handled by SAAB more or less alone?

    Easy to confuse the two...

    As said, I think this is more connected to BAE since they AFAIK, at the time, were the driving force in the Gripen marketing campaigns.

    Some people will of coarse try to bring in SAAB as much as possible for whatever reason...

    Cheers, C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    At least no Swedish company or employees is under investigation and I hope it will stay that way.
    Not true. The National Anti-Corruption Unit(Riksenheten mot korruption) is investigating SAABs alleged involvement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengan View Post
    Not true. The National Anti-Corruption Unit(Riksenheten mot korruption) is investigating SAABs alleged involvement.

    Not quite. They have a case file open for information sharing to cooperate with the British investigation that is centered around BAE Systems and to see if there's any wrong doing by any Swedish company in this. The anti-corruption unit has not brought forward any accusations towards any Swedish company or citizen yet.

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    Just to underline what Signatory said(From an old pressrelease):
    [SIZE=3]The matter concerning SAAB and the jetfighter JAS Gripen[/SIZE]

    The Swedish Anti-Corruption Unit is collecting information in the matter concerning the sale of the jetfighter JAS Gripen. It is not yet possible to decide if an investigation into this matter should be initiated, but a decision is due in short time.
    There has been an earlier investigation in Sweden into bribe allegations in connection with Saab’s sale of JAS Gripen to the Czech Republic. That investigation was terminated in April 2006. No suspect was identified and there was no reason to conduct further investigative measures that time.

    Through communication with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO), the Anti-Corruption Unit has received information concerning the investigation SFO is conducting in connection with i.e. the sale of JAS Gripen to South Africa and the Czech Republic.
    Due to this information, and the information that a Swedish TV Company intended to air a program about the Czech deal, further cooperation between the Anti-Corruption Unit and the SFO was developed in February 2007, in order to scrutinize if there could be reasons to initiate an investigation in Sweden.

    So they have been collecting info all this (short?)time and not managed to find enough material to even start an investigation...something tells me that they don't have a case but let's wait and see(If the Mensdorff-Pouilly arrest bring something up?).


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    [SIZE="4"]Brazil [/SIZE]

    A press release issued yesterday says the process is moving forward at good speeds.

    The FAB will now hold meetings with all three bidding manufacturers exactly one month after receiving the RFP documents. So good job there.


    Romanian Foreign Minister and likewise CSAT member Cristian Diaconescu will hold bilateral talks in Sweden on Friday with both the Foreign Trade minister Ewa Björling and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt. (CSAT is the sole Romanian executive power that will decide on a fighter jet purchase.) Maybe after these meetings we will get some kind of signal if their process is really dead or not. It probably is due to a severe lack of funds. There's plenty of other issues on the bilateral agenda though but still any Gripen deal or talk of credits has to pass through Ewa Björlings desk.


    The all-weather precision-attack weapon Enhanced Paveway II GBU-49 (dualmode; laser and INS/GPS guidance) also known as EGBU-12 that is to equip SwAF Gripens is currently under the last stages of integration work on the aircraft.

    No photos yet so...

    GBU-49 on Reaper


    Refueling trials

    FMV will conduct Gripen refueling trials with German tankers soon.

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    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]This message is translated into English with help of Google Translate. (for speed) [/FONT][/COLOR]
    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]original link[/FONT][/COLOR]

    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]Saab Gripen corrects De Vries on offer [/FONT][/COLOR]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Sweden remain cheaper than JSF [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]27-02-2009 | Published 16:07 [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]27-02-2009 | Last updated 18:53 [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab aircraft declines Secretary Jack de Vries of Defense comments on the cost of the Next Generation Gripen fighter jet. According to State secretary De Vries told that the Saab offer of 85 Gripen aircraft was incomplete. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Costs not included [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]He stated that in the offer VAT wasn’t included, has not estimated, staff, and also didn’t calculate fuel costs for the Gripen. "And the Dutch taxpayer just have to pay for that" said De Vries in a program of EenVandaag of Thursday, February 26. (Dutch public televison network/ ed.) [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]"To not take these costs into account gives the impression Saab is cheaper, but it appears from practice that it is not so." Says, de Vries.[/FONT][/COLOR]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab angry [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab again, speaks against this vision of De Vries powerful. It is true that there is no VAT and staff and fuel costs were included in the offer, but it is very logical, says Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Because there is no VAT included, said the spokesman, who did not understand where De Vries took from his comments. "This is military equipment from the Swedish government to another government sold. Then the Swedish government never charge VAT," which is normal says Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The spokesman was also unclear where the Dutch taxpayer to pay if no VAT is levied. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]About the staff was the Saab spokesman briefly. "It is difficult to cover the costs of personnel over a period of 30 years to calculate. This is usually to be done by airforce themselves. And does Lockheed have those costs be included in its JSF bid? We guarantee that the price would always be lower than will be for the JSF project, because our Gripen needs much less maintenance and thus require less maintenance personnel than the JSF. " [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]In terms of fuel, the Gripen "anyway is half cheaper than the JSF, simply because the Gripen uses half less fuel.[/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Last December Secretary De Vries said on the fuel costs for the JSF that it was very difficult to predict, because not it could not be predicted how the oil price develops. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Lower bid [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab a few weeks ago made a lower bid than that of Lockheed Martin for the Joint Strike Fighter. Saab, according to leaked information 4.8 billion Euro questions for 85 Saab Gripen aircraft, and 10 billion for a 30-year maintenance contract. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The cost of the Joint Strike Fighter amount to 5.5 billion for equipment, and 14.4 billion for the maintenance contract. At the same time, there are still uncertainties about the offer - Saab ensures that their supply will never be. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab made there offer to a delegation of Second Chamber (Dutch Parliament ed.), which paid Sweden a visit to the aircraftmanufacter. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab repeated opposite Z24 that prices, as given in confidence to the Chamber delegation, never will be. "That is our offer, guaranteed." [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Employment [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]About the economic benefits of the JSF De Vries said that the U.S. unit creates more jobs. That again declined by Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]"We already know that we are on the Dutch industry jobs can give a value of 100 percent of the contract," said the spokesman. "Our advantage is that these tasks are not necessarily linked to the Dutch aircraft industry, or suppliers. These commands can also simply for companies in other sectors should be given." [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Hesitation [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Political parties in the Lower House to the doubt beaten on the purchase of a successor to the F-16 fighter jet. The Christian Union and the Party for Freedom were charmed by the cheaper Saab offer, while the PvdA careful reflection on the postponement of the entire replacement project in connection with the deep recession. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The Chamber of defense in their portfolio this week for the second time in a visit to Lockheed Martin for the business case for the JSF to hear again. The Ministry of Defense, together with industrial companies with a small media offensive launched to the JSF in the sun to set.[/COLOR][/FONT]

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    From AE09 brochure.


    Thanks to rakall for scanning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    From AE09 brochure.
    A bit more internal fuel than earlier said, it would mean an interna fuel fraction of .33 and a total including external fuel of nearly .5. Together with a sleek airframe and good aerodynamics it is quite understandable that such a competitive range can be achived.

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    The new Swiss Chief of the Armed Forces, André Blattmann, says he wants to buy new jets despite budget worries.

    Military Aviation
    05:35 pm - Friday
    Switzerland: more planes for Country's defence
    Berne, Switzerland - This was the declaration of the new Army commander-in-chief
    (WAPA) - André Blattman, Swiss Army commander-in-chief since March 1st, surprisingly stated in an interview for "Drs", Swiss-German radio station, that the Swiss Air Force needs reinforcements. Despite the crisis, he precised, it is not possible to save on combat aircraft "Because it is always necessary to be ready for anything. Clearly our 33 F/A-18s are not enough to secure our air space".

    A surprising declaration because it comes from one of the highest military officers of a traditionally non-belligerent country, highlighting an inversion in Swiss government's policy of reducing the air fleet to the minimum, even if it will be renewed substituting the aging F-5R Tiger II with modern fighters. Competing in the tender are the Gripen (Saab), the Rafale (Dassault) and the Eurofighter (Eads).

    New conditions also for army soldiers: Blattman wants to strengthen discipline among his troops, even when the soldiers have their time-off or are at home. Military police controls have to be intensified on trains, in cooperation with the railways, in order to prevent soldiers from going around drunk or under drug effects. (Avionews)


    Goggles making a big difference

    NVG article on

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    [CENTER][SIZE="4"]Goggles making a big difference[/SIZE][/CENTER]

    Swedish Air Force combat pilots are now equipped with advanced night vision goggles and there is nothing to be afraid of in the dark for the pilots of 212 Fighter Squadron.

    "Your first NVG flight is still an attention-getting experience. “I realise that I really was blind when I flew in the dark before now without goggles,” said one SAF pilot training for Cold Response.

    2009-03-06 |
    Preparations for Exercise Cold Response, to be held in Norway later in March, have seen the operational debut of night vision goggles (NVGs) with front-line Swedish Air Force (SAF) units. The arrival of the new system has been long-awaited by Squadron Commander Carl-Johan Edström. The use of NVGs brings particular benefits for operations in the short days of the Nordic winter.

    “NVGs allow us to make much better use of the dark hours of the day. Their long-term effect on flight operations will be profound” says Edström, and there are many other benefits too.

    Detect and identify other aircraft earlier
    “When using NVGs we have found that pilots can detect and identify other aircraft much earlier and over longer distances than in daylight. This is a function of the unique way NVGs gather and use the available light. It makes a big difference when undertaking close air support at night. Thanks to the NVGs a Forward Air Controller can direct air strikes using a laser beam to pinpoint the target – that beam is only visible through the image intensifiers of the NVGs.”

    Proven technology
    Flying with NVGs is nothing new, and SAF aircraft like the Viggen and Sk 60 were doing it more than 20 years ago. Now the latest feature on Gripen, which adds a purpose-built NVG compatible cockpit, provides for seamless NVG integration and operations.

    “The lighting for every switch, button and display in the cockpit has been specially designed to be clear and uncluttered at all times when viewed through the NVGs,” says Carl-Johan Edström.

    Careful integration
    Integrating the new NVGs was a three-year process which involved a team of five test pilots working under Swedish Defence Materiel Administration (FMV) leadership. Flights started in Vidsel, Sweden, with a modified Saab Sk 60A and a year later the NVG-capable trainer was transferred to F21 Wing, where pilots started to prepare for the transition to NVG operations on Gripen.

    A darkness unique
    To get the best results from NVGs requires a total darkness of the kind that, in Europe at least, is found almost only in northern Sweden. The long winter dark period there, from October to March, could permit many other air forces to come and practise their NVG operations. Across the rest of Europe the light from urban areas means it never becomes truly dark. While they may appear to be dark to us, dawn and twilight hours are too bright to permit proper NVG use, so they further shorten the time available to train with, and master, this key operational capability.

    Notes one Swedish pilot, “The sun must be a full 12 degrees below the horizon before you can really say it’s dark out there.”


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    Interview of Saab at Aero India 09 by BR member K Prasad

    [SIZE=5]Saab Gripen for the MMRCA: AI qns

    [/SIZE]1. The Swedes were extremely courteous and patient, transferring me to the right person, even if they had to be pulled out of meetings.

    2. Reason for Absence:

    The guy said, "We're different from the other contenders... so we wanted to show that". We brought 3 last time. This time, we didn't bring.

    Anyway, the real reason they didn't bring a Gripen is because they are getting the prototypes ready for the trials, and didn't want to risk bringing them here and suffering faults. Additionally, they said that it is a very short timeline from RFP submission to start of trials, so they were working at double pace to get the components tested. Swedish AF gripens couldnt be spared for the show either.

    3. Level of ToT:

    100%...unequivocal. The lady in charge of the deal said that that was the level of ToT mentioned in the RFP, and they had to follow it. I asked how they could do that if some of the components were not swedish... what she said is that they do hold certain amount of IPR for a certain period of time. However, the US govt would have to give permission for the ToT. When asked how this would be possible given that US aircraft are also in the fray, the reply was that they would have to see...

    Then, there was a slightly long reply to this stating that they could have tried to put in a new engine and non-american stuff, but given the shortage of time, they decided to let it remain, and not take any new risks.

    4. The Independent choice??

    Given that this was the tagline under which they were (extensively) selling the gripen, how could it be the independent choice if there were american and other components in the type on offer. The reply was that sweden would have control of these, and given that it was not a consortium, IPR and ToT would be extremely simple.

    5. Weather:

    Would Gripen not reduce its performance in terms of hot and humid performance in india as compared to cold and relatively lower altitudes in sweden??

    The answer was that both the Thais and the South Africans were using Gripens, and had found no issues. However, the high altitude landing and takeoff performance would need to be seen...

    At this point, I pointed out that given that MMRCA was replacing the strike aircraft, and would need to carry heavy payload at high altitudes, would Gripen be able to handle it? The answer was not very sure, but it was that the plane would meet the RFP standards.

    6. Weapons fit:

    OK... re this bit, the MRCA gripen would be offered with the complete weapons suite that Sweden uses, as well as NATO and European weapons that have been tested till now.

    The surest answer that i did here was from this question, regarding whether they'd have issues integrating Russian or Israeli weapons into the Gripen. The answer was that there was absolutely no issues since Sweden held the technology for the weapons fit and integration, and would give it,... they would also help us in integrating any weapons that we chose to use, including not just giving documentation, but actually taking aircraft to their factory and integrating and testing it, and giving us help in this regard. According to the person I spoke to, if it fit the pylons, they'd fit anything for us to use.

    The slaving to the sensors and radars of course is slightly more tricky, but they said that given that one of the partners was Swedish and the other british, they didn't foresee too many issues.

    7. Upgrade or Downgrades:

    The Gripen IN would have zero Downgrades... everything including source codes and weapons codes would be given. In fact, in many respects, there are upgrades, even wrt the NG variant.

    Additionally, India would have a stake in future upgrades and developments based on the numbers bought (which should give us a 50% capital stake I think).... the Swedes are very very anxious to partner with us, both in terms of cost and testing, but in terms of future JVs and joint marketing also... one of the persons I spoke to pointed out what the MKI did to Su-30 sales, and said that India would give Gripen a foothold in sales in other countries as well.

    8. Cost:

    As I pointed out, this was an itchy part for all other contenders as well - given the 10,4 bn $ outlay, they still aren't sure whether they can meet (rafale went so far as to say that it wont)...

    The Gripen rep said, "I dont know whether we'd be able to meet the budget or not, since we don't knwo the exact budget outlay and we are still analyzing the IN aircraft, and the business model and impact on offsets, but, Let me put it this way - among all the contenders, Gripen will be by far, the most cost effective."

    In relation to cost, I asked about what were the advantages that Gripen would have over the other contenders - the point was that at 4000$/flying hour, Gripen would cost less than half the cost of the other contenders, and would give extremely good performance all the same (they again reiterated that there was nowhere that they would not meet RFP standards). However, I mentioned that others could carry more weapons or fuel or sensors - they said that given the RFP methodology, and since they would meet it, they are confident. Additionally, he mentioned that Gripen was not far behind either.

    9. India vs Sweden:

    I asked whether the two traditions wouldn't be different, given the different sizes and oeprating doctrines. I also pointed out that India was far larger than any of the Gripen's customer countries, and would need to use Gripen for longer ranges and different roles...

    The Answer was that the Gripen was suited for all these roles, and given Sweden's international commitments, they had operated Gripens for long ranges as well..... but still a doubtful answer in my mind.

    10. Competition to LCA:

    A common question i asked all contenders - what does Indian aerospace, esp Tejas have to gain by MMRCA going to you. To Gripen, I added the extra question of whether they were nervous about LCA Mk.2 being almost identical to Gripen IN, and thus ruining its party??

    The sense I got from questioning all 4 reps about this separately was that they are indeed quite nervous about the success of LCA, especially over the past few months, and the accelerated weapons testing.... They first tried to say that LCA and Gripen are two very different aircraft in different weight classes meant for different roles, and in fact, India buying Gripen would actually help LCA. I pointed out in each case that the LCA Mk.2 would be almost the same weight as Gripen IN, with similar performance. In this case, the answer still remained the same, but with extra qualifications, such as IAF is looking at MMRCA in different role, and we fit RFP perfectly. There wasn't a direct admission that Tejas and Gripen are the same, but I got close to getting one. The sense was the same.

    Coming to how LCA can gain from Gripen, they siad that they are giving full experience with weapons testing, etc, and if selected, they can definitely partner in engine integration - he pointed out that they also tested from F404 to 414, and had all the expertise in taht area and would not hold anything back. Additionally, they also pointed out that the two programs were similar - small, flagship programs for the two nations. Hence, it was important to collaborate, etc etc etc....

    11. Radar:

    Will they be able to come out with an AESA on the test aircraft in time?? The Lady said that AESA is important but the present radar is also very good - tried to say that they;re not sure that IAF asked for AESA specifically (which i'm sure is wrong, from impressions gathered from FH Major and other sources). Anyway, the AESA itself is ready, and will be integrated around the time that the testing is going on, so they do hope to show at least the test aircraft to the team. However, they will show the simulator and the AESA itself.... about ToT on the AESA, she said, we'll see.

    12. Offsets:

    Will be followed.. they want to cut down on costs also, so offsets does make a lot of sense. 50% wouldnt be a problem.

    Overall, the impression I got was that Gripen is quite confident, and they know their machine is good. However, they are worried about whether the IAF is looking for something like their aircraft, or they are just there as a filler. They are also worried about LCA and competing with it, which is why they are trying to show how Gripen is different from the Tejas. Another worry are the foreign components. They are not concerned about the performance of the aircraft.

    I got some booklets for the Saab technology, and the IN brochure, which I have given to Rakall to scan and put up... look out for those for more info also.

    I seem to be forgetting something here, but if i remember anything more, I'll add it.


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    [SIZE="4"]Czech Defence Minister Parkanova : Buy Gripens after lease period[/SIZE]
    Parkanova also added that Czech pilots are very satisfied with Gripens.

    The political-financial decision on the number of jets is the big question now since they are happy with Gripens. 14 maybe 18 is required for national and European NATO assignements but if the ambition is to also do international missions the number should hit 24 - the original number from the cancelled deal in 2002.

    A decision is planned during the current term.



    On a side note: The Czech military is supporting the Danish military in their new fighter jet project, hopefully putting in some good words.
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    What countries are closest in time on a decision to acquire new fighter jets where Gripen is involved?

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    Apan, might see down-selects in Switzerland, Denmark and Brazil late in the year... everything else is being crazy right now due to the financial crisis.


    Some Photos from Aero India uploaded to

    OT&E pilot showing the Simulator

    ^ notice a owl in the background....




    Eddy chatting with (LCA Tejas) flight test guys...

    Bob also chatting with Indian flight test guys...



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