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    Quote Originally Posted by Unifil 37 View Post
    http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/ekot/artike...rtikel=2650435

    I,m not trying to be a smartass or anything, but do you guys have any more info about this?
    Here's an english version for those interested.

    http://www.thelocal.se/17724/20090220/

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    [SIZE="4"]Saab TCS launch aeronautical partnership[/SIZE]



    On 19 February, Saab and TCS launched their collaborative project, the Aeronautical Design and Development Centre, at a formal ceremony to mark the start of the aeronautical partnership.


    Image: The Indian Ambassador, H E Mr Balkrishna Shetty, Defence attaché Jasvinder Singh Mann and Amit Bajaj, Marketing Manager for TCS is talking to Pontus Kallén, Managing Director Saab Aerosystems. Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

    2009-02-25 |

    The launch of the Aeronautical Design and Development Centre (ADDC) included the formal induction of Indian engineers into Saab’s Linköping facilities. Those present included India's Ambassador and the mayor of Linköping, Sweden.

    The Aeronautical Design and Development Centre has been recently awarded its first contract by Saab to participate in the Aerostructural design and development for Gripen Next Generation. This will enable ADDC to play a pivotal role in development activities in different Saab products.

    The mayor of Linköping, Ann-Cathrine Hjerdt, welcomed the Indian engineers who will be residing in the city for the next six months while working at Saab.

    “A good partnership”

    Speaking on the occasion Indian Ambassador, H E Mr Balkrishna Shetty, said “It is a privilege for me to be a small part of the work to bring India and Sweden closer together. This is a good partnership for everybody."

    Marie Bredberg, Managing Director for Saab business unit Combitech, expressed confidence that the ADDC will be of significant interest for customers. "By combining Saab's plentiful experience within aviation and TCS's skills, we are creating a stronger offering. But this is not only a collaboration between companies, it is also a partnership between people,” she said.


    Image: Amit Bajaj, who is Marketing Manager for TCS (in the middle) and the managing directors for Saab Aerosystems, Pontus Kallén, and Combitech, Marie Bredberg, see major business opportunities. Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

    According to Amit Bajaj, Marketing Manager for TCS, "TCS is genuinely committed to this partnership and treats it with the utmost seriousness. In this instance, one plus one is greater than two."

    Also attending the ceremony were Defence attaché Jasvinder Singh Mann, Östergötland County Governor Björn Eriksson and County Director Magnus Holgersson. Representing Gripen International were India campaign members Eddy de la Motte, Jonas Härmä and Joanna Sjölander.

    Allows Saab to set a footprint in India

    Earlier, in September 2008, Saab and TCS, had signed a Letter of Intent to set up the ADDC as a long term relationship, with Saab undertaking to transfer technology and competencies in the aerospace sector. It is set up to provide engineering, services and solutions, and to address market opportunities in areas such as structures, systems, avionics and after market support. The centre will address the requirements of the global and Indian Aerospace & Defence markets.

    The ADDC allows Saab to set a footprint in India together with TCS to capture opportunities emerging in the aerospace and defence sector.
    Gripen.com

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    Updated the basic 39C vs 39NG (Gripen IN, BR, DK, NL) info based on the latest info from GI.



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    The Swedish air force is finally commenting on the claim by a pro-NATO liberal parliamentarian that the NATO interoperable Gripen 39C/D can't communicate secure on the Swedish command and control network.

    Babelfished:

    This week it became known that the JAS 39 Gripen of the newer C / D model in the coming years to replace the earlier A-and B-model does not have access to encrypted communications between the plan and command. The decision is not taken but could well become reality.

    That does not mean that the Air Force at an incident communicates freely with anyone who wants to hear, such as the enemy. It will be back to the roots of secure communications.

    - There are compensatory methods, we can handle this, "says Torgny Hammar Field, Development Manager at the Air Force.


    In practice this means that spoken communication, but without formal technical protection.

    - We will ensure that someone who can listen will not understand what we say, "says Torgny Hammar Field.

    - Such methods is also used in the NATO countries and others. They have the same problem, it is not always the system and aircraft is in line, "says Torgny Hammar Field.

    However, it [The Air Force] has reacted against the encryption affair has come to be understood as "a new Jas-problem." It is not, says Torgny Hammar Field.

    - It is not the functionality of the air machine that is the weak link, it's systems on the ground and especially radio hills which sends and receives signals from the plan, "he says.

    There is infrastructure work on land that is to suffer at a reprioritization. While the work on the Gripen, it is actually proceding quite well.

    - It rolls on just as planned, by international standards quite remarkably good, "says Torgny Hammar Field
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    There's also Sectra crypto used on Gripen btw but it's not really the same issue (abt taking orders from C2):

    * Secure communication systems
    * Linköping Sweden
    * November 23 , 2006

    Sectra receives order for aviation cryptosystem

    The Swedish Defense Materiel Administration (FMV) has ordered a cryptosystem that will be used in the Gripen aircraft system. The system will be delivered by the Swedish company Sectra and the order value amounts to SEK 10 million.

    The cryptosystem meets the absolute strictest security requirements and is tailor-made for use in aircraft. This system facilitates faster and more cost-efficient development and further enhancement of the Gripen operations.

    "Sectra has unique competence in encryption, as a result of which we can rapidly customize a cryptosystem for aircraft from our broad cryptographic portfolio," says Jan-Olof Brüer, President of Sectra Communications. "The order strengthens our position as the leading crypto supplier to the Swedish Defense Forces," Jan-Olof Brüer adds.

    The cryptosystem in the Gripen system is expected to be in the air during 2007.

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    * Secure communication systems
    * Linköping Sweden
    * August 29 , 2007

    Swedish export products go secure: Saab orders airborne crypto system from Sectra

    Saab Aerosystems and Saab Bofors Dynamics have ordered a crypto system for the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft and Robot 15 from Sectra. The crypto system will ensure that sensitive information is protected during various tests conducted within and outside Sweden's borders. The order value is slightly more than SEK 10 Million.

    The crypto system is designed for export customers and meets the strictest security requirements. During the spring, Sectra delivered a similar crypto to FMV (Swedish Defense Materiel Administration) that is currently used in the Swedish Defense Forces’ JAS 39 Gripen aircraft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    Fraud investigators raid BAE agent's Austria home

    British investigations into BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, appear to have revived today after it was disclosed that a key BAE agent has been raided.

    Investigators from the Serious Fraud Office arranged for the agent, Count Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly, to be raided in Austria.

    The Guardian
    Mensdorff-Pouilly is getting arrested atm, seems a cousin of him tipped the police about some details of the the Gripen/Czechoslovakia campaign.
    Its always the greedy kinsfolk that gets you into trouble..



    Verdunklungsgefahr: Waffen-Lobbyist Mensdorff-Pouilly verhaftet

    Die Staatsanwaltschaft Wien beantragte U-Haft für den prominenten Waffen-Lobbyisten. Neues Material soll den Verdacht der Bestechung erhärten.
    http://diepresse.com/home/politik/45.../home/index.do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    Mensdorff-Pouilly is getting arrested atm, seems a cousin of him tipped the police about some details of the the Gripen/Czechoslovakia campaign.
    Its always the greedy kinsfolk that gets you into trouble..


    http://diepresse.com/home/politik/45.../home/index.do
    It's otoh unclear what the charges is about if it's about jets at all, he is said to have has worked for both Eurofighter and gripen campaigns.

    Gripen and the Eurofighter
    Even then there was the suspicion that Pouilly-Mensdorff as a consultant to the Eurofighter GmbH defense company BAE involved in "active and passive bribery transactions in national and international procurement procedures for military equipment involved had" had. The investigation involved both for the purchase of Gripen aircraft to the Czech Republic in 2004 as well as those for the purchase of the Austrian Eurofighter.
    http://www.oe24.at/wirtschaft/Waffen...men_438066.ece


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    NVG exercises in Sweden.

    7 Gripens from the SwAF will participate at Cold Response in a nearby NATO country next month.

    April 2: Danish delegation to visit the Saab factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    It's otoh unclear what the charges is about if it's about jets at all, he is said to have has worked for both Eurofighter and gripen campaigns.

    He really was arrested because of the Czech/Gripen deal, I'm not making this up:


    [LEFT]Mensdorff In prison over money laundering allegations against arms lobbyist.

    Due to suspicion of money laundering in connection with the purchase of the Swedish Saab Gripen interceptor by the Czech Republic Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly was arrested.
    Mensdorff has recieved millions of illegal payments from the British defense group BAE in connection with the Gripen business.
    Even corruption is in the room. The idea is that Mensdorff money had passed, said his lawyer Harald Schuster - but not to politicians but to Czech businessmen, said the lawyer.[/LEFT]
    translation of:
    http://oe1.orf.at/inforadio/103057.html?filter=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    He really was arrested because of the Czech/Gripen deal, I'm not making this up:

    translation of:
    http://oe1.orf.at/inforadio/103057.html?filter=3
    That's what that article says but like I said it's unclear if that is the case. (further illustrated by a comment today from Austrian party FPÖ who demand another look at the suspicions surrounding the detained count and the Eurofighter deal.)

    EDIT: The authorities has now said the reason for his detention yesterday was not due to the Czech-Gripen allegations.

    Anyway, accusations against BAe Systems sales methods does cover a wide range of equipment and countries, ranging from Ships to Romania, Hawks and Gripens in Africa and Europe to Eurofighters in Saudi Arabia and Austria.

    At least no Swedish company or employees is under investigation and I hope it will stay that way. I also hope Saab continues to clean out the remaining BAe figures in the group.

    Police: Suspect arrested in arms inquiry
    The Associated Press
    Published: February 28, 2009

    VIENNA: Police say that a Viennese count connected to an investigation of Europe's largest defense contractor has been detained.

    They identify the man as Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly. He was previously briefly held in Britain last year in connection with the same investigation into whether BAE Systems PLC offered bribes to secure arms deals.

    Mensdorff-Pouilly was detained Friday. Legal authorities have 48 hours to decide whether to keep him in investigative custody or let him go.

    Both BAE and Mensdorff-Pouilly, who worked as an adviser to the company, have denied wrongdoing.
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    Also, this is about the "24 Gripens" deal in 2001(I think?) which was canceled and not about today's Czech Gripen fleet which was handled by SAAB more or less alone?

    Easy to confuse the two...

    As said, I think this is more connected to BAE since they AFAIK, at the time, were the driving force in the Gripen marketing campaigns.

    Some people will of co**** try to bring in SAAB as much as possible for whatever reason...

    Cheers, C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    At least no Swedish company or employees is under investigation and I hope it will stay that way.
    Not true. The National Anti-Corruption Unit(Riksenheten mot korruption) is investigating SAABs alleged involvement.

    /Bengt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengan View Post
    Not true. The National Anti-Corruption Unit(Riksenheten mot korruption) is investigating SAABs alleged involvement.

    /Bengt
    Not quite. They have a case file open for information sharing to cooperate with the British investigation that is centered around BAE Systems and to see if there's any wrong doing by any Swedish company in this. The anti-corruption unit has not brought forward any accusations towards any Swedish company or citizen yet.

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    Just to underline what Signatory said(From an old pressrelease):
    [SIZE=3]The matter concerning SAAB and the jetfighter JAS Gripen[/SIZE]

    The Swedish Anti-Corruption Unit is collecting information in the matter concerning the sale of the jetfighter JAS Gripen. It is not yet possible to decide if an investigation into this matter should be initiated, but a decision is due in short time.
    There has been an earlier investigation in Sweden into bribe allegations in connection with Saab’s sale of JAS Gripen to the Czech Republic. That investigation was terminated in April 2006. No suspect was identified and there was no reason to conduct further investigative measures that time.

    Through communication with the Serious Fraud Office (SFO), the Anti-Corruption Unit has received information concerning the investigation SFO is conducting in connection with i.e. the sale of JAS Gripen to South Africa and the Czech Republic.
    Due to this information, and the information that a Swedish TV Company intended to air a program about the Czech deal, further cooperation between the Anti-Corruption Unit and the SFO was developed in February 2007, in order to scrutinize if there could be reasons to initiate an investigation in Sweden.
    http://www.aklagare.se/upload/1572/p...en2_070221.pdf

    So they have been collecting info all this (short?)time and not managed to find enough material to even start an investigation...something tells me that they don't have a case but let's wait and see(If the Mensdorff-Pouilly arrest bring something up?).

    C.

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    [SIZE="4"]Brazil [/SIZE]

    A press release issued yesterday says the process is moving forward at good speeds.

    The FAB will now hold meetings with all three bidding manufacturers exactly one month after receiving the RFP documents. So good job there.

    [SIZE="4"]Romania[/SIZE]

    Romanian Foreign Minister and likewise CSAT member Cristian Diaconescu will hold bilateral talks in Sweden on Friday with both the Foreign Trade minister Ewa Björling and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt. (CSAT is the sole Romanian executive power that will decide on a fighter jet purchase.) Maybe after these meetings we will get some kind of signal if their process is really dead or not. It probably is due to a severe lack of funds. There's plenty of other issues on the bilateral agenda though but still any Gripen deal or talk of credits has to pass through Ewa Björlings desk.

    [SIZE="4"]Sweden[/SIZE]

    The all-weather precision-attack weapon Enhanced Paveway II GBU-49 (dualmode; laser and INS/GPS guidance) also known as EGBU-12 that is to equip SwAF Gripens is currently under the last stages of integration work on the aircraft.

    No photos yet so...


    GBU-49 on Reaper

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    Refueling trials

    FMV will conduct Gripen refueling trials with German tankers soon.

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    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]This message is translated into English with help of Google Translate. (for speed) [/FONT][/COLOR]
    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]original link http://www.z24.nl/bedrijven/artikel_58283.z24[/FONT][/COLOR]

    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]Saab Gripen corrects De Vries on offer [/FONT][/COLOR]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Sweden remain cheaper than JSF [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]27-02-2009 | Published 16:07 [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]27-02-2009 | Last updated 18:53 [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab aircraft declines Secretary Jack de Vries of Defense comments on the cost of the Next Generation Gripen fighter jet. According to State secretary De Vries told that the Saab offer of 85 Gripen aircraft was incomplete. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Costs not included [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]He stated that in the offer VAT wasn’t included, has not estimated, staff, and also didn’t calculate fuel costs for the Gripen. "And the Dutch taxpayer just have to pay for that" said De Vries in a program of EenVandaag of Thursday, February 26. (Dutch public televison network/ ed.) [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [*******black][FONT=Verdana]"To not take these costs into account gives the impression Saab is cheaper, but it appears from practice that it is not so." Says, de Vries.[/FONT][/COLOR]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab angry [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab again, speaks against this vision of De Vries powerful. It is true that there is no VAT and staff and fuel costs were included in the offer, but it is very logical, says Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Because there is no VAT included, said the spokesman, who did not understand where De Vries took from his comments. "This is military equipment from the Swedish government to another government sold. Then the Swedish government never charge VAT," which is normal says Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The spokesman was also unclear where the Dutch taxpayer to pay if no VAT is levied. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]About the staff was the Saab spokesman briefly. "It is difficult to cover the costs of personnel over a period of 30 years to calculate. This is usually to be done by airforce themselves. And does Lockheed have those costs be included in its JSF bid? We guarantee that the price would always be lower than will be for the JSF project, because our Gripen needs much less maintenance and thus require less maintenance personnel than the JSF. " [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]In terms of fuel, the Gripen "anyway is half cheaper than the JSF, simply because the Gripen uses half less fuel.[/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Last December Secretary De Vries said on the fuel costs for the JSF that it was very difficult to predict, because not it could not be predicted how the oil price develops. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Lower bid [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab a few weeks ago made a lower bid than that of Lockheed Martin for the Joint Strike Fighter. Saab, according to leaked information 4.8 billion Euro questions for 85 Saab Gripen aircraft, and 10 billion for a 30-year maintenance contract. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The cost of the Joint Strike Fighter amount to 5.5 billion for equipment, and 14.4 billion for the maintenance contract. At the same time, there are still uncertainties about the offer - Saab ensures that their supply will never be. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab made there offer to a delegation of Second Chamber (Dutch Parliament ed.), which paid Sweden a visit to the aircraftmanufacter. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Saab repeated opposite Z24 that prices, as given in confidence to the Chamber delegation, never will be. "That is our offer, guaranteed." [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Employment [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]About the economic benefits of the JSF De Vries said that the U.S. unit creates more jobs. That again declined by Saab. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]"We already know that we are on the Dutch industry jobs can give a value of 100 percent of the contract," said the spokesman. "Our advantage is that these tasks are not necessarily linked to the Dutch aircraft industry, or suppliers. These commands can also simply for companies in other sectors should be given." [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Hesitation [/COLOR][/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]Political parties in the Lower House to the doubt beaten on the purchase of a successor to the F-16 fighter jet. The Christian Union and the Party for Freedom were charmed by the cheaper Saab offer, while the PvdA careful reflection on the postponement of the entire replacement project in connection with the deep recession. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana][*******black]The Chamber of defense in their portfolio this week for the second time in a visit to Lockheed Martin for the business case for the JSF to hear again. The Ministry of Defense, together with industrial companies with a small media offensive launched to the JSF in the sun to set.[/COLOR][/FONT]

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    From AE09 brochure.

    [IMG]http://i41.*******.com/29pvtd4dotjpg[/IMG]

    Thanks to rakall for scanning.

    [IMG]http://i43.*******.com/hwwxmhdotjpg[/IMG]

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    Quote Originally Posted by signatory View Post
    From AE09 brochure.
    A bit more internal fuel than earlier said, it would mean an interna fuel fraction of .33 and a total including external fuel of nearly .5. Together with a sleek airframe and good aerodynamics it is quite understandable that such a competitive range can be achived.

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