Reply With QuoteI haven't gone to church in years and my family as religious as some are don't listen to what the church has to say. So how much of a threat is excommunication in the modern world?
Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church
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Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church
By Malcolm Moore in Rome and Roger Highfield, Science Editor
(Filed: 30/06/2006)
Scientists who carry out embryonic stem cell research and politicians who pass laws permitting the practice will be excommunicated, the Vatican said yesterday.
"Destroying human embryos is equivalent to an abortion. It is the same thing," said Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, head of the Pontifical Council for the Family.
"Excommunication will be applied to the women, doctors and researchers who eliminate embryos [and to the] politicians that approve the law," he said in an interview with Famiglia Christiana, an official Vatican magazine.
Excommunication forbids Catholics from receiving communion, assisting in any Church duties, and sometimes from having a Church burial.
But the threat was shrugged off yesterday by Italy's leading expert on cloning, Prof Cesare Galli, of the Laboratory of Reproductive Technologies in Cremona, who was the first scientist to clone a horse.
Prof Galli likened the Vatican to the Taliban and added: "I can bear excommunication. I was raised as a Catholic, I share Catholic values, but I am able to make my own judgment on some issues and I do not need to be told by the Church what to do or to think.
"I will be, together with Elena Cattaneo [a scientist working in the University of Milan] the first to be affected by the excommunication and then there are two other labs that I know using imported embryonic stem cells."
The research is opposed by the Catholic Church because it involves destroying embryos. This occurs at the point when they consist of about 100 to 200 cells and the so-called inner cell mass is removed. These stem cells can grow indefinitely and turn into any of the body's 200 cell types.
Scientists believe research making use of the cells could eventually yield treatments for a range of diseases, including diabetes, heart disease and Parkinson's.
The Vatican's tough stance on the issue came as the Pope prepared to visit Valencia for the fifth annual world conference on the Catholic family. Spain passed a law permitting embryonic stem cell research two years ago to the dismay of the Church.
An Italian senator, Paola Binetti, a member of Opus Dei and a prominent campaigner for Catholic rights, also spoke against the Church's line.
"I am upset and stunned," she said. "It is a mistake to give out the idea that God is angry with Man because he is not in agreement with him."
Cardinal Trujillo said it was not just Spain which had "thrown out the fundamental laws of nature" but also Belgium, Holland, the Scandinavian countries and France. He did not mention Britain, which is at the forefront of embryonic stem cell research.Belgium's divided State.
24 July 2001: Pope urges Bush to ban embryo research
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I haven't gone to church in years and my family as religious as some are don't listen to what the church has to say. So how much of a threat is excommunication in the modern world?
and good...
Whats good? That church is excommunicating people or that people will continue with their stem cell research?Originally Posted by Herrmannek
good its excomunicating them...First its immoral to kill embrios second faith isn't a grocery to pick things you find tasty and give a s_hit about whole rest... You buy whole package or go to hell...
You haven't seen the current situation with embrios then? They are getting tossed out anyway. You might as well ban inverto fertilization then as they always produce more embrios than needed.
If you are right about accepting the whole package, then what package would be the correct one? There are many flavors out there these days.
You forgot that RCC is against invitro, and overproduction is one of the reasons...
Do you think soldiers go to hell, afterall their mission is to kill enemies of the state?
Last edited by Jani.R; 06-30-2006 at 11:55 AM.
Why soldiers should get to hell ?
I think what he is trying to say is that soldiers take life so they would go to hell also because of that.
There is difference betwen murdering someone and taking his life...
Wait, wait... I thought life was black and white. A "package deal"....
Does that mean a Catholic have to live in strict accordance with the Catholic Bible, that everything which is forbidden by the Bible is to be eliminated, every rule mentioned in the Bible is to be enforced, and everything which is accepted in the Bible is to be considered legal ?
You know it's gone awry when an Opus Dei member criticises the Vatican for being too conservative.
Isn't there stem cells that can be obtain without distuction of a human life, (from Fetus to old age)?
I thought I read so pro article on stem cell research that did not used cells from abortions.
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