Concentrated Patch identification thread

[EIREGOBRACH]

Reply to IRAQ patch.


Yes that is based on the German iron cross. Palm tree and Iron Cross which both were used by the German Afrika Corps. Very unsual that the IRAQ forces are using these symbols.

[Connaught Ranger]

Reply to IRAQ patch.


Yes that is based on the German iron cross. Palm tree and Iron Cross which both were used by the German Afrika Corps. Very unsual that the IRAQ forces are using these symbols.

The WW2 Afrika Korps never used an Iron Cross in their insignia design,

it was a Palm tree with a swastika.

And the Iron Cross award predate WW2

being first introduced with the date 1813,

Second Period 1870,

Third Period 1914,

Fourth period 1939 (design incorporates a swastika,)

and finally the Fifth period 1957 (replacement design for WW2 veterans.)

Connaught Ranger.

[EIREGOBRACH]

All German vehicles displayed the straight version of the Iron Cross. The straight-armed Balkenkreuz, the emblem of the Wehrmacht, was first used in a narrower form on Luftstreitkäft aircraft in mid-April 1918 during World War One. It then appeared on German planes, tanks, and other vehicles during the Second World. The Afrika Korps Insignia was a Palm Tree with a Swastika beneath it alright.

That specific cross on that IRAQ patch is the narrow version of the Iron Cross which was worn as a German Military decoration. The Iron Cross was founded on 10 March 1813 in Breslau and was awarded to soldiers during the Wars Of Liberation against Napoleon. It was first awarded to Karl August Ferdinand von Brocke on 21 April 1813. Hitler restored the Iron cross as a military decoration/award and placed a Swastika on the centre in 1939 rather than using the older and earlier Prussian versions.

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[Connaught Ranger]

All German vehicles displayed the straight version of the Iron Cross. The straight-armed Balkenkreuz, the emblem of the Wehrmacht, was first used in a narrower form on Luftstreitkäft aircraft in mid-April 1918 during World War One. It then appeared on German planes, tanks, and other vehicles during the Second World. The Afrika Korps Insignia was a Palm Tree with a Swastika beneath it alright.

That specific cross on that IRAQ patch is the narrow version of the Iron Cross which was worn as a German Military decoration. The Iron Cross was founded on 10 March 1813 in Breslau and was awarded to soldiers during the Wars Of Liberation against Napoleon. It was first awarded to Karl August Ferdinand von Brocke on 21 April 1813. Hitler restored the Iron cross as a military decoration/award and placed a Swastika on the centre in 1939 rather than using the older and earlier Prussian versions.

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There is no "narrow version" of the Iron Cross, the design of the Iron Cross, military award dates back to 1813 and that is the shape seen on the t-shirt it is correctly known as The Cross Pattèe.

The Balkan Cross shown as a diagram in your post was generic to all branches of the German Armed Forces, it is based on what is commonly known as the Greek Cross or Balkan Cross.

There are at least 15 forms of Crosses used throughout Europe in regards to:-

Military, Civil, and Religious Orders and Awards.

However, the insignia of the Afrika Korp was a palm tree on which is super-imposed a swastika, the fact that they displayed crosses on other locations of their vehicles is not significant to the cross seen on the t-shirt.

Hitler did not re-institute jack-sh*t as the Iron Cross was by its originating definition only to be awarded for wars against France only, Hitler only renewed the use of the Iron Cross as a German military decoration from September 1, 1939, he bastardized the design and changed the ribbon colours from the traditional Black and white, and introduced more grades of the award.

The following are very interesting reading and I highly recommend them

"Das Eiserne Kreuz 1813 -1957,

Geschichte des Auszeichnungswesens."

Sonderausgabe VDM

ISBM 3-925480-07-2

or

"THE IRON CROSS, A history 1813 -1957" by Gordon Williamson.

ISBN 0 7137 1460 3

states the following "It is generally accepted that the first award of the Iron Cross Second Class was made to Generalleutnant von Borke on the 2nd of April 1813 for the Battle of Luneberg.

Cloth versions were produced due to the shortages of the material and production difficulty's of the period.

And we must mention Generalfeldmarschall Blucher who was awarded the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross for the Battle of Katzbach. he was the sole recipient of the 1813 Star to the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross of 1813, awarded on the 26th of June 1815.


Connaught Ranger.

[T-5 Killer]

^ your knowledge is always impressive Connaught Ranger, great posts!

[Roy Batty]

Still looking for a place to design and make a unit patch.........

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

The Balkenkreuz used to be plain white in the early days of the war, like the campaign in Poland.
After Poland, the center was left open and only the white outlines were painted. From 1943 onwards, the center was filled with a black cross.
In 1943, when the standard vehicle colour was changed to dark tan, the black lines were added for visibility against the yellow background while remaining camouflaged at a distance. A black cross with white outlines doesn't stand out as much as a big white cross.

As for aircraft, the straight black\white cross was introduced in 1918 and was carried over into the ww2 luftwaffe. The "camo" 1940 version was used as well, depending on the location of the cross on the aircraft.

It's balkEnkreuz by the way, the balkan has nothing to do with it.

Cheers

[Connaught Ranger]

The Balkenkreuz used to be plain white in the early days of the war, like the campaign in Poland.
After Poland, the center was left open and only the white outlines were painted. From 1943 onwards, the center was filled with a black cross.
In 1943, when the standard vehicle colour was changed to dark tan, the black lines were added for visibility against the yellow background while remaining camouflaged at a distance. A black cross with white outlines doesn't stand out as much as a big white cross.

As for aircraft, the straight black\white cross was introduced in 1918 and was carried over into the ww2 luftwaffe. The "camo" 1940 version was used as well, depending on the location of the cross on the aircraft.

It's balkEnkreuz by the way, the balkan has nothing to do with it.

Cheers

I might be getting the cart before the horse but, the term "Balken" is reference to a wooden beam, a "Balkenkreuz" is the technical name for the image, silhouette, shape of a cross constructed of two pieces of timber of equal dimensions, + this is also the name given to the specific shape amongst cross designs as the Balken cross also known to some who study the cross shape as the "The Greek Cross."

Such a shape / design +was that represented on the turrets of German Armour, first only in white,which I believe, and stand open to correction, was very short lived as they made a great aiming point for enemy anti tank gunners. later they were found in white with outlines in black, and vice-versa.

I am sure I have seen it written "Balkan Cross" in English publications, which is probably a direct translation.

However, my comments in previous posts mainly concern the shape of the cross in the design on the t-shirt, technically known as "The Cross Pattèe," which has nothing to do with the shape of a Balken Cross / Kreuz and the comment:-

That specific cross on that IRAQ patch is the narrow version of the Iron Cross which was worn as a German Military decoration.

Connaught Ranger.

[Mormaeglin]

Guys, I have here some questions to somebody in the know about Russian patches. Have a look :



As We see, it is VDV patch but I just can't findy any info from which time period it is. My guess is that it was issued after 1995.



Another question about VDV patch. When this one was issued?



Third question : is this active unit or training unit patch?



Fourth question : Here We have ODON patch, however when it was issued? and what confuses me even more : what unit wears or wore it?



Fifth and hereby last question which concerns OSN Witjaz' patch : from what period is it? moreover, is it combat patch or was it designed for some kind of parade uniform?

[Az_esm]

Another question about VDV patch. When this one was issued?

It's unofficial path.
ДМБ means demobilization.
Some conscripts wears such kind of stuff from the end of their service till they get home.

[Mormaeglin]

It's unofficial path.
ДМБ means demobilization.
Some conscripts wears such kind of stuff from the end of their service till they get home.

Thanks for information Az_esm, it's really appreciated!

[Montesa]

Hello.
Could anybody say me of what unit is the patch? The picture was taken in 2007 of a russian VDV uniform.
thanks

[Cokl]

Looks like 76th assault-landing division - http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-215-1176676401.jpg

[Montesa]

Thanks a lot for your help.

[Salty Dog]

I was going through a sea bag that i haven't touched since i was in iraq. i found this patch in there. as i remember, i traded my Marine Corporal chevrons to a R.O.K. Marine on a base in kuwait when we were in transit back to the states. i think they were Marines because my buddy got an under armor shirt from them with the eagle, star and anchor that is the R.O.K. Marines emblem, based off of the USMC EGA. anyway, i was wondering what you can tell me about it. any information is appreciated. i am wondering if it is some sort of qualification, or unit patch or what. also wondering what is says on it. thanks