Reply With QuoteThere will be no civil war in Mexico. The most would be a huge riot but that is about it.
Mexico headed towards civil war?
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The conservative Felipe Calderon won the election and yet liberal Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador refuses to concede defear(sound famaliar?). AMLO has already decided to setup a "shadow government" of Calderons, collect taxes, and dish out services to the poor. His protesters have been going at it for a week or so. I've been keeping an eye on this intermitantly from time to time, but this guy doesn't seem to be going away. This is actually sounding evan worse than here in the US circa 2000 when Al Gore refused to yield. Is a second government legal in Mexico? If AMLO steps over the line will he be tossed in the slam? AMLO is really worked up over this.
Fox is scheduled to give a speech today(I think) on the state of the union, several groups have made public their attempts to stop him. If I were him I would give it no matter what.
P.S. What is it with liberals? Everytime they lose an election they cry foul, claim disenfranchisement, get lawyers involved in the process or do whatever they can to overturn the results. The conservative just go back to the drawing boards and try to figure out a better way to deliver their message.
There will be no civil war in Mexico. The most would be a huge riot but that is about it.
Or throw out ballots of the opposing party....Originally Posted by c62
looks like somebody's wearing their prejudices on their sleeve.
'it's all the liberals fault even though they aren't in charge!'
Imposible. Like ed said, it doesnt go any further from a riot.
The protestors have started to march towards their rally point at the Zocalo ( main square)
This is a graphic that shows all the acces points to the legislative palace blocked by the Federal Support Forces, The president's general security staff and presidential guards.
Democracy is outdated, we all agree.
Tis a good thing to remember next time when a leftist comes to power somehwere and Western media scream "bloody murder" and "election fraud" (like last time in Belarus or Ukraine), we just tell em:
"What is it with liberals? Everytime they lose an election they cry foul, claim disenfranchisement, get lawyers involved in the process or do whatever they can to overturn the results."
Elections are good and all, as long as the right candidate is elected.
That's the problem when conservatives cheat so blamantly... Leftist revolt.What is it with liberals? Everytime they lose an election they cry foul, claim disenfranchisement, get lawyers involved in the process or do whatever they can to overturn the results. The conservative just go back to the drawing boards and try to figure out a better way to deliver their message.
Why don't Mexico revote, this time with international observers ?
I would tend to agree with that. But if AMLO follows through with his words to create a "shadow government", what then?
What ballots were thrown out by the conservatives? The ones where people voted for two different people for the same position? How about the ones that weren't filled out correctly or on time? Are those the ones you're talking about?
Dear Mr. Pot,
Please don't wear your prejudices on your sleeve.
Sincerely,
El Kettle
They didn't scream "bloody murder" or "election fraud" unless there was election fraud. What was screamed about was policy differences, that'll happen with lefties and righties until the end of time.
That's the problem, there was no evidence with cheating. They revolt because they lose.
Whooooops, should've done some research first
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The problem is the liberals will demand recount after recount and change the law before each count until one gives them a victory.
Keep in mind folks that Mexico was governed as a de facto single party state for 70 years. Since the PRI had lost the presidency in Fox's election, the legislature was in an odd position from being a "Rubber Stamp" body to one of the "loyal opposition". Unlike a Parlamentary form of governace, there is little experiences in building coalitions between parties and compromise. This does not only happen in Mexico but all over Latin America.
Civil War will not happen because the last one was really bloody. If anything what has saved Mexico in the past from internal strife, is the safety valve of the border and the united states. If its too hot in the kitchen, people go to the frontera and cross over.
I think that you are right, there will be no civil war. I think that Lopez Obrador (if he isn't totally nuts (which is a distinct posibility given his recent behavior and speeches)) is just making a big enough stink that people will remember him in 2012. However, I think that his strategy is very much faulty. He has lost a great deal of popular support due to his irrational actions to the extent that many want the government to clamp down on him and his followers. I think that he would like that very much, so he could have martyrs for his cause. Fortunately, the government doesn't seem to be bitting, and is instead letting AMLO's fire extinguish itself. They passed today's hurtle with the state of the union address, and no one was hurt. It remains to be seen what will happen once Calderon is declared officially the winner and on the events of the 15th and 16th.
I say we smoke AMLO!!! ILL take him out,ill sniper his ass...lol I WISH!!
Just in case you're not a very good shot, I'll go along with you. Image if that a-hole would have won the election!? Mexico must be the luckiest country in the world!!! I say we ship him to Cuba as an offering for the Cuban people just in case Fidel bites it.
No evidences, No evidences ?????
Evidences :
- IFE used statistical projections to predict elections results. When results were too different from projections, they were discarded. 3 millions votes were cancelled this way, and only 2,5 millions accepted again after a legal issue.
- IFE accepted results from more 18000 polling stations where results exceeded 100%. 14% (!!) of stations did that.
- instead of recruiting IT specialists, IFE delegated for help to a private firm owned by Diego Zavala, brother-in-law from PNA candidate Felipe Calderó. Nepotism rules in Mexico, this firm was also awarded contracts with Banobras (Calderó was director), PEMEX (Caldero became Secretary of Energy), CFE, IPAB, and IMSS.
And with only 250,000 differences in vote, there is little doubt thoses frauds allowed Calderon to won.
When the oligarchy cheat, there is little left than mass demontrations.
What observers ?
(My bold)Statistics are way too easy to manipulate to be counted on. Anybody can do it, it's just a matter of deciding what data to include/exclude. So when someone starts quoting stats to me, I take it with a grain of salt. All the media's stats said Kerry would defeat Bush in a landslide...
You're basing your conclusions on faulty and misleading "proof" and "facts"
In the article I posted, it mentions the EU sent observers to monitor the election, and they reported no evidence of fraud. Go to google -> mexico elections observers -> check what google returns.
It doesn't sound like Mexico is headed towards full blown civil war, but there maybe more than riots, espicially if AMLO carries through with his intent to set up a "shadow government". What then? Will the Mexican gov't crack down? That's where I see the issues popping up.
I honestly hope things work out for the best for Mexico. We could use a stable, and friendly southern neighbor.
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