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BETHLEHEM, -: Israeli border policemen arrest a Palestinian at a checkpoint integrated into the Israeli controversial separation barrier, on the outskirts of the West Bank town of Bethlehem, 20 October 2006. Some Palestinians, willing to cross to Jerusalem to pray at Al-Aqsa mosques compound during the last friday of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, were denied access today as theIsraeli army put restrictations on men under 45 years old, including children. AFP PHOTO/PEDRO UGARTE (Photo credit should read PEDRO UGARTE/AFP/***** Images)
Seen as how it appears not all of you read it before commenting.![]()
1- 60 years in nothing in a country history.
2- I just pointing out the fact that if there is terrorism now days in the region, it all started then...and not exactly by the Arabs.
But again, I see no good or bad guys in the whole equation. Just rough players in both sides...and lots of propaganda and politics.
An Israeli soldier climbs off an armoured military vehicle near Kibbutz Mefalsim, just outside the northern Gaza Strip October 22, 2006. (Amir Cohen/*******)
Israeli soldiers walk near Kibbutz Mefalsim, just outside the northern Gaza Strip October 22, 2006. Several Israeli cabinet ministers called on Sunday for a military operation to retake control of Gaza's southern border and prevent Palestinian militants smuggling in weapons from neighbouring Egypt. *******/Amir Cohen (ISRAEL)
An Israeli soldier rests near tanks at a staging area near Kibbutz Mefalsim, just outside the northern Gaza Strip , October 22, 2006. Several Israeli cabinet ministers called on Sunday for a military operation to retake control of Gaza's southern border and prevent Palestinian militants smuggling in weapons from neighbouring Egypt. *******/Amir Cohen (ISRAEL)
Israeli soldiers stand atop a tank near Kibbutz Mefalsim, just outside the northern Gaza Strip , October 22, 2006. Several Israeli cabinet ministers called on Sunday for a military operation to retake control of Gaza's southern border and prevent Palestinian militants smuggling in weapons from neighbouring Egypt. *******/Stringer (ISRAEL)
A Palestinian boy looks at Israeli soldiers as they patrol in the West Bank city of Hebron October 22, 2006. *******/Nayef Hashlamoun (WEST BANK)
A U.S. soldier guards the scene of a car bomb attack in Baghdad October 21, 2006. The United States has shown 'arrogance' and 'stupidity' in Iraq , a senior U.S. diplomat said in an interview aired on Sunday, after U.S. President George W. Bush said he was flexible on tactics, if not strategy. *******/Mohammed Ameen
A U.S. soldier patrols a road near the scene of a car bomb attack in Baghdad October 21, 2006. Two people were wounded in the attack, police said. (Mohammed Ameen/*******)
A U.S Blackhawk crew stands, as a Chinook helicopter flies in the background near a joint base of U.S and Afghan National Army during Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry's visit in the eastern province of Paktika, Afghanistan near the border with Pakistan on Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. Eikenberry was on hand to congratulate the soldiers for a battle with Taliban militants last week in which 22 insurgents were killed after ambushing a U.S. patrol. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq)
A U.S transport helicopter Chinook crew stands, as an attack helicopter flies in the background near a joint base of U.S and Afghan National Army's in the eastern province of Paktika near the border with Pakistan on Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. U.S. Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry was on hand to congratulate the soldiers for a battle with Taliban militants last week in which 22 insurgents were killed after ambushing a U.S. patrol. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq)
Britain's Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip (R), in his role as the Regiment?s Colonel in Chief, is seen visiting The Queen?s Royal Hussars in Basra in this handout photograph released on October 22, 2006, by the Ministry of Defence. Prince Philip told the troops he thought most people in Britain had 'a great deal of sympathy for those of you at the sharp end who are trying to do your best to make life civilized and tolerable for the locals.'
Britain's Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip (L), in his role as the Regiment?s Colonel in Chief, is seen visiting The Queen?s Royal Hussars in Basra in this handout photograph released on October 22, 2006, by the Ministry of Defence. Prince Philip told the troops he thought most people in Britain had 'a great deal of sympathy for those of you at the sharp end who are trying to do your best to make life civilized and tolerable for the locals.'
Britain's Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip (2nd R), in his role as the Regiment?s Colonel in Chief, is seen visiting the Queen?s Royal Hussars in Basra in this handout photograph released by the Ministry of Defence on October 22, 2006.
British soldiers check vehicles at a checkpoint on a road in Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, October 21, 2006. (Atef Hassan/*******)
British troops inspect vehicles at a checkpoint in Basra, Iraq , 550 kilometers (340 miles) southeast of Baghdad, Sunday Oct. 22, 2006. Some 500 British troops were put on standby two days ago to help Iraqi forces stop fighting between rival Shiite militiasin the town of Amarah, if necessary. (AP Photo/Nabil al-Jurani)
A British soldier patrols the southern Iraqi city of Basra in September 2006. London and Washington are reportedly discussing a range of eight options to tackle escalating violence in Iraq .(AFP/File/Essam Al-Sudani)
British soldiers search a car at a checkpoint in Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, October 21, 2006. *******/Atef Hassan (IRAQ
British soldiers guard a road in Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, October 21, 2006. *******/Atef Hassan (IRAQ)
A British soldier stops a motorist at a checkpoint in Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, October 21, 2006. *******/Atef Hassan (IRAQ)
Australian soldiers and police officials are pictured patrolling streets in Dili earlier this year. Foreign peacekeepers were brought in to restore order to East Timor 's capital when fighting broke out between rival ethnic gangs after the discovery of two mutilated bodies.(AFP/file/CANDIDO ALVES)
Australian soldiers are seen here patrolling the streets of Dili in East Timor last month. Foreign peacekeepers were brought in to restore order to East Timor's capital on Sunday when fighting broke out between rival ethnic gangs after the discovery of two mutilated bodies.(AFP/file/CANDIDO ALVES )
An Australian soldier on patrol in Dili. East Timor's leaders have urged calm, a day after a United Nations report recommended that the former premier and other officials be held accountable for unrest that gripped capital Dili this year(AFP/File/Candido Alves)
Continental Army re-enactors arrive at Surrender Field on the Yorktown Battlefield during the recreation of the 1781 British surrender at Yorktown, Va., Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. This year marks the 225th anniversary of the surrender. (AP Photo/The Richmond Times-Dispatch, Alexa Welch Edlund)
British re-enactors, left, march past Continental Army re-enactors en route to Surrender Field on the Yorktown Battlefield in Yorktown, Va., during the recreation of the 1781 British surrender at Yorktown, Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. This year marks the 225th anniversary of the surrender. (AP Photo/The Richmond Times-Dispatch, Alexa Welch Edlund).
British Army re-enactors lay down their arms on Surrender Field on the Yorktown Battlefield in Yorktown, Va., during the recreation of the 1781 British surrender at Yorktown, Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. This year marks the 225th anniversary of the surrender. (AP Photo/The Richmond Times-Dispatch, Alexa Welch Edlund)
A member of the 1st Rhode Island with the Continental Army re-enactors, center, leaves Surrender Field on the Yorktown Battlefield in Yorktown, Va., during the recreation of the 1781 British surrender at Yorktown, Sunday, Oct. 22, 2006. The 1st Rhode Island was an all African-American unit. This year marks the 225th anniversary of the surrender. (AP Photo/The Richmond Times-Dispatch, Alexa Welch Edlund)
Bob Parvin. of Painesville, Ohio. salutes as members of the Sons of the American Revolution pass on Main Street, Thursday, Oct. 19, 2006, in Yorktown, Va., during the parade segment of the 225th Anniversary of the Victory at Yorktown. (AP Photo/The Daily News, Adrin Snider)
Park Ranger Andrew Veech, right, salutes as Sgt. Erik Warme, left, plays "Taps" in front of the Yorktown Battlefield Memorial on Thursday, Oct 19, 2006, in Yorktown, Va., after a wreath dedicated to those who died in the battle, both American and French, was placed on the memorial. French and American notables gathered Thursday to begin a four-day celebration of the 225th anniversary of the last battle of the American Revolution. (AP Photo/Gary C. Knapp)
Members of the French military and French civilians begin singing their country's national anthem acappella after a problem with it being played over the loud speaker system developed, Thursday, Oct 19, 2006, in Yorktown, Va., during the celebration of the 225th anniversary of the battle at Yorktown, the last battle of the American Revolution. (AP Photo/Gary C. Knapp).
French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, center, and U.S. Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne, right, the United States Secretary of the Interior, listen to introductions of guests, Thursday, Oct. 19, 2006, at the Yorktown Battlefield in Yorktown, Va., during a celebration of the 225th anniversary of the last battle of the American Revolution. Man at left is unidentified. (AP Photo/Gary C. Knapp)
French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, left, and U.S. Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne, right, and France's Ambassador to the U.S., Jean-David Levitte, right, listen to introductions of guests, Thursday, Oct. 19, 2006, at the Yorktown Battlefield in Yorktown, Va., during a celebration of the 225th anniversary of the last battle of the American Revolution. (AP Photo/Gary C. Knapp)
Air Force Senior Airman Leonid Godunov, 22, who has already served in Iraq, gives his name and place of birth, Moscow, Russia, as he and 40 others immigrants prepare to take the oath of citizenship to become U.S. citizens on Thursday, Oct 19, 2006, in Yorktown, Va. The event occurred during the celebration of 225th anniversary of the battle of Yorktown. (Gary C. Knapp)
French Minister of Defense Michele Alliot-Marie, left, speaks to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, right, during a press conference after their meeting at the Pentagon, Thursday, Oct. 19, 2006 in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, right, and French Minister of Defense Michele Alliot-Marie, speak to the media following a meeting at the Pentagon, Thursday, Oct. 19, 2006 in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)
Brigadier General Dominique Trinquand, head far right, head of the French military mission at the United Nations, join a meeting between United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan, top center, and French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, second from left, at the United Nations in New York, Friday Oct. 20, 2006. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)
French Minister of Defense Michele Alliot-Marie speaks to an unidentified woman following her speech at a luncheon organized by the French-American Foundation, Friday, Oct. 20, 2006, in New York. The focus of her speech addressed the challenges for the 21st century. (AP Photo/ Louis Lanzano)
They cannot assassinate him. Muqtada al-Sadr is no normal man... he is the Arab equivalent of European royalty of the mythological sort (eg Charlemagne). In fact, it is claimed that his lineage can be traced back to the prophet Muhammad.
from Wikipedia:
"The Al-Sadr family have a clear and distinct lineage that can be traced directly to the Prophet Muhammad. The lineage is traced through Imam Jafar al-Sadiq and his son Imam Musa al-Kahdim the sixth and seventh Shia Imams respectively. This direct and meticulously documented lineage is unprecedented even among the illustrious families in the Islamic world who claim such lineage."
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moqtada_Sadr ]
True or not, the Shi'a, who heed the bloodline of Muhammad, believe this and that is what matters. It would be very bad form to assassinate such a figure, and would accomplish little in terms of quelling his forces.
Well said that the Europeans are not holier than the Pope and should look at themselves before preaching morals to others and refrain from blowing their own trumpet regarding such issues.
The words "oppressive" and "injust" were never used.
But If that's what you think of Israel then maybe what you are feeling now will give you some prospective on how we view Europeans preaching us morals.
Either way I'm done with this topic.
Last edited by GiladS; 10-23-2006 at 04:55 PM.
I am sorry, can't help myself from a storry/ comment on those pics.
french woman:
-Wait!shouldn't we have *** immediatelly to warm our relations,eh?
Donald:
-ehhh..ehehe..not a bad idea afterall..
-Now listen everybody, we were just joke'n, you heard nothin', alright?it will be traditional talks about security, fight againts global terror etc. NO *** tonight!
-did we make ourselves clear?
unidentified woman speaks to french woman:
-so you should be happy not to experience the full might of the mightiest sec. of defends' mighty mick of THAT size you know...
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(caption translated from Portuguese by me, sorry for any possible errors)
Évora, PORTUGAL - Portuguese Defense Minister Nuno Severiano Teixeira smiles while he waits the beginning of the military parade under torrential rain, during the commemorations of the Army Day (Dia do Exército), on the Giraldo Square in Évora, October 22, 2006. (NUNO VEIGA/LUSA)