+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2
1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 23

Thread: Recently declassified - USA invasion plans for Canada (1935)

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Tank Table VIII
    Posts
    279

    Recently declassified - USA invasion plans for Canada (1935)

    A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

    The following is a full-text reproduction of the 1935
    plan for a US invasion of Canada prepared at the US Army
    War College, G-2 intelligence division, and submitted on
    December 18, 1935. This is the most recent declassified
    invasion plan available from the US archival sources.
    Centered pagination is that of the original document. The
    spelling and punctuation of the original document are
    reproduced as in the original document, even when in error
    by present-day norms.

    This document was first identified by Richard Preston
    in his 1977 book, "The Defence of the Undefended Border:
    Planning for War in North America 1867-1939" (Montreal:
    McGill-Queen's University Press.) Preston's reference
    citation (p. 277) identified this to be archived at the US
    Military History Collection, Carlisle Barracks, Pa., coded
    AWC 2-1936-8, G2, no. 19A. It was located by the US
    National Archives and supplied on microfilm.

    The military planning context of this document is War
    Plan Red, which was approved in May 1930 by the Secretary
    of War and the Secretary of Navy. War Plan Red and
    supporting documents are available from the US National
    Archives on microfilm, in the Records of the Joint Board,
    1903-1947, Roll 10, J.B. 325, Serial 435 through Serial
    641. In War Plan Red, the US Army's theatre of operations
    is defined to be: "All CRIMSON territory" (p.80), and the
    US Army's mission, in bold type: ULTIMATELY, TO GAIN
    COMPLETE CONTROL OF CRIMSON (p. 84). CRIMSON is the
    colour code for Canada. In 1934, War Plan Red was amended
    to authorize the immediate first use of poison gas against
    Canadians and to use strategic bombing to destroy Halifax
    if it could not be captured.

    In February 1935, the War Department arranged a
    Congressional appropriation of $57 million dollars to
    build three border air bases for the purposes of
    pre-emptive surprise attacks on Canadian air fields. The
    base in the Great Lakes region was to be camouflaged as a
    civilian airport and was to "be capable of dominating the
    industrial heart of Canada, the Ontario Peninsula" from p.
    61 of the February 11-13, 1935, hearings of the Committee
    on Military Affairs, House of Representatives, on Air
    Defense Bases (H.R. 6621 and H.R. 4130). This testimony
    was to have been secret but was published by mistake. See
    the New York Times, May 1, 1935, p. 1.

    In August 1935, the US held its largest peacetime
    military manoeuvres in history, with 36,000 troops
    converging at the Canadian border south of Ottawa, and
    another 15,000 held in reserve in Pennsylvania. The war
    game scenario was a US motorized invasion of Canada, with
    the defending forces initially repulsing the invading Blue
    forces, but eventually to lose "outnumbered and outgunned"
    when Blue reinforcements arrive. This according to the
    Army's pamphlet "Souvenir of of the First Army Maneuvers:
    The Greatest Peace Time Event in US History" (p.2).

    The following document is a declassified public
    domain document and may be freely reproduced. This should
    be of particular interest to people in the Halifx and
    Quebec City regions, then considered to be the most
    strategic cities in Canada.


    http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    24
    Posts
    245

    Bring it.

    *loads C7A1*


  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Patrolling the streets of Iraq
    Posts
    1,679

    Quote Originally Posted by Spearin
    Bring it.

    *loads C7A1*

    Oh its already been broughtin!

  4. #4
    Senior Member Sir Zach of R.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Germany
    Age
    21
    Posts
    3,418

    Yer gonna need more than a C7 to stop an M1A1 Abrams/B-2 Spirit/F-16 Falcon/F-14D Tomcat/Ticonderoga class cruiser. M4.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,700

    *JDAM's Spearin.*

    Well that's the CF now on to the QPP

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    24
    Posts
    245

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Zach of R.
    Yer gonna need more than a C7 to stop an M1A1 Abrams/B-2 Spirit/F-16 Falcon/F-14D Tomcat/Ticonderoga class cruiser. M4.
    Yea, determination I've got plenty of that.

  7. #7

    Don't forget some maple syrup to go with that C7Eh1 :)

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    Posts
    108

    I'm too lazy to read, so I'm gonna ask instead. Why invade?

  9. #9
    Senior Member NcDeuce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,806

    I'm sure there are all sorts of plans left classified concerning potential invasions or military operations...

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    907

    Quote Originally Posted by NcDeuce
    I'm sure there are all sorts of plans left classified concerning potential invasions or military operations...
    Doesn't the USA have plans for invading almost any country on this planet ?

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    111

    I think there were serious concerns in the 1930's about the possibiity of America being attacked by the British Empire because of the British concern about the size of the US Navy, and the fact that Britain was losing it's massive naval supremecy.

    If you look at the plan, it is not Canada that they are worried about it is a nation called 'Red' who would use Canada for an attack on the US, that can only be the British Empire.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    USA- Austria
    Posts
    442

    Maybe it is revenge for burning the Capital in the war of 1812. They are just a little slow in getting around to it. :P

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Tank Table VIII
    Posts
    279

    'm too lazy to read, so I'm gonna ask instead. Why invade?
    I think it was probably instigated by Anheuser-Busch to eliminate Molson.

    f you look at the plan, it is not Canada that they are worried about it is a nation called 'Red' who would use Canada for an attack on the US, that can only be the British Empire.
    Nope. It's canada alright : In War Plan Red, the US Army's theatre of operations is defined to be: "All CRIMSON territory" (p.80), and the US Army's mission, in bold type: ULTIMATELY, TO GAIN COMPLETE CONTROL OF CRIMSON (p. 84). CRIMSON is the colour code for Canada. In 1934, War Plan Red was amended to authorize the immediate first use of poison gas against Canadians and to use strategic bombing to destroy Halifax if it could not be captured.

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    Posts
    108

    I think it was probably instigated by Anheuser-Busch to eliminate Molson.
    I'll drink to that

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    111

    In the plan Blue refers to the USA, Crimson refers to Canada, and Red refers to the British Empire.

    In the
    final analysis, however, critical areas must be largely determined in the
    light of Red's probable line of action and Crimson's contribution to that
    effort.
    In case of war with Red, Halifax would become of prime importance
    to Red as a naval base and as a debarkation point for overseas expeditions
    in case Blue controlled the St. Lawrence. However, the routes available
    for a Red advance from Halifax into northeastern United States or towards
    Quebec and Montreal are quite difficult.
    he port would be of little use to Crimson or Red, at least in the
    early stages of war, provided Blue made any effort to control this area
    With the closing of the Panama Canal to Red traffic and the presence of
    Blue naval forces based on Honolulu, its
    Obviously the 'red traffic' means the Royal Navy

    Assuming that Blue controls the St. Lawrence and cuts Crimson's
    eastern communication with Red, the areas importance is enhanced, although
    it remains a decidedly unsatisfactory outlet. If Red should win control of
    the Pacific steamship lanes, the area becomes of first importance to Red.
    All factors considered, it must be controlled by Blue.
    Red has to be Britain, there is no way that the Canadian Navy (I think they only had something like 4 destroyers in 1935) could win control of the Pacific steamship lanes, only the British could do that.

    Interruption of Canada's trans-oceanic telegraph and radio service
    will seriously handicap Red-Crimson cooperation.
    Obviously the undersea communications between the UK and Canada.

    In case Red is denied the use of the Atlantic
    or Pacific ports, or both, Churchill will afford an outlet for grain and
    meat products from Ontario, Manitoba and Sasketchewan and an inlet for mili-
    tary supplies and troops from Europe unless the northern trade route through
    Hudson Strait is controlled by the Blue fleet, and this is improbable.


    The location of Canada's industry and population along a narrow extent
    front facing the northern United States border and her relatively weak
    military and naval forces, widely dispersed, will necessitate a defensive
    role until Red forces are landed.
    The West Coast does not favor overseas operations unless Red controls
    the Pacific, and even then is too remote from critical Blue areas.

    Red Reinforcements.
    _
    Various estimates have been made of the size, composition, and time of
    placing Red reinforcements in Canada

    Probable Enemy Forces in Canada
    _______________________________
    Empire
    Days after Crimson (Less Crimson) Total
    M Day men Div. Men Div. Men Divisions
    15 25,000 5 --- --- 25,000 5
    30 50,000 5 --- --- 50,000 5
    60 50,000 5 126,000* 8 176,000 13
    90 50,000 5 203,000 13 253,000 13
    120 50,000 5 238,000 16 288,000 21
    150 50,000 5 255,000 16 305,000 21
    180 90,000 6 255,000 16 345,000 22
    Crimson cannot successfully defend her territory against the United
    States (Blue). She will probably concentrate on the defense of Halifax
    and the Montreal-Quebec line in order to hold bases of operation for Red.
    Areas of Strategic Importance.
    Analysis of the above data and discussion indicates certain areas which
    would become of considerable military importance in the event of war with
    Red;
    Deny Red and Crimson and make available to Blue, the principal
    air bases in eastern Canada.
    f Halifax is to be captured without the use of large forces and
    expenditure of considerable time and effort, it must be accomplished promptly
    before Red reinforcements can be landed or Crimson organize for its defense.
    An overseas expedition is one of the most uncertain of military
    operations, and with the Red fleet on guard in the North Atlantic, with
    Red's immediate military objective the retention of a base in eastern
    The plan is obviously for the US to fight British forces who are using Canada as a staging base just like 1812.

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts