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    Lightbulb Peace is not won by helping terrorists

    Peace is not won by helping terrorists

    http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mostert/061115

    Democrats who are euphoric about winning the majority in Congress, and Republicans who are depressed by losing their majority in Congress might do well to remember when President Clinton was faced with the exact same situation. In the election of 1994, the Democrat in the White House found himself with a Republican House and Senate. Although Clinton won re-election in 1996, the House and Senate remained Republican.

    In spite of that handicap and Republican opposition, Clinton allowed Iranian weapons and Osama bin Laden trained mujuhideen through the UN Blockade in 1995. In 1999, without Congress' approval, Clinton ordered the US Air Force to bomb the Serbs, our historic allies, for 79 days, and seize control of a portion of their land, Kosovo. Today Bosnia and Kosovo are the major training grounds for terrorists who blow up Americans in Iraq, Spaniards in Spain and English citizens in London. "

    We are now hearing demands from the newly elected Democrats that President Bush pull the troops out of Iraq because, in the words of Sen. Carl Levin, the election was a message from the voters to "change the course in Iraq." President Bush's course has been to fight Islamic terrorists whereas Clinton's course was to help Islamic terrorists seize control of Bosnia and Kosovo. Levin apparently wants to reinstate Clinton policies of aiding and abetting terrorists gain greater power.

    Clinton aligned the US and its military might throughout his administration with Islamic fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo such as Alija Izetbegovic and Agim Ceku, who ethnically cleansed Krajina of 180,000 Serbs in 1995. As early as 1970 Izetbegovic wrote: "There can be no peace or coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic societies and political institutions."

    Few Western leaders appeared to be aware of Izetbegovic's goals, and were and still are being deceived by a propaganda campaign that blamed the Serbs, who were the first victims of Izetbeovic's plan to eliminate "non-Islamic" faith groups and societies. The Serbs were mostly Orthodox Christians. In Kosovo alone over 150 of their Churches have been totally destroyed and at least 350,000 Serbs in Bosnia and in Kosovo have been driven from their homes and thousands of others killed.

    In December 1995, Clinton sent 20,000 American troops to Bosnia, promising "Congress and the American people that U.S. personnel would be out of Bosnia at the end of one year." According to a 1997 Senate report regarding Clinton's lifting of the Arms embargo to provide Bosnian Muslims Iranian arms and mujuhideen enforcement "helped turn Bosnia into a Militant Islamic Base." About half of the 60,000 troops sent to Bosnia in 1995 were Americans and there are still American military advisors in Bosnia.

    We only have to harken back to March of 1999 when most Republicans, then the majority in Congress, strenuously and fruitlessly objected to a military move by Democrat President Bill Clinton who wanted to attack Yugoslavia at the request of an organization that had been on the State Department list of terrorists until he removed them in 1998 — the crime and drug financed Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA.)

    California Republican Congressman Tom Campbell called it a "bloody civil war" in which neither side had "attacked us." Furthermore, he correctly pointed out as scores of forensic experts later verified, "we do not have a systematic attempt by the government in Serbia to exterminate the Albanian population." This, of course, was contrary to the propaganda from Islamic fundamentalists who claimed the Serbs in Kosovo had somehow managed to kill "over 100,000" armed Albanians who outnumbered the Serbs 9-to-1.

    In early 1999 President Clinton had been impeached for lying to a judge about his ****** exploits and he was searching for something, ANYTHING, to get the public's mind off of Monica Lewinsky. By picking up the KLA accusation that Serbs were "committing genocide" in Kosovo against Albanians, Clinton moved the public's attention from *** to war.

    I pointed out in an article published March 11, 1999, that most of the Serb population had been driven out of Kosovo during World War II, and noted that "the Kosovo Liberation Army is either (1) a rebel army; (2) a guerrilla organization; (3) a terrorist organization or (4) a criminal gang pushing illegal drugs — depending on which group you want to believe. There is no doubt that the present conflict was created because of the number of Serbian police and citizens the Kosovars were killing."

    Until Clinton removed the KLA from the list, it was on the U.S. State Department list of terrorist organizations. It not only was involved in the drug trade but was trained in terrorist tactics by Osama bin Laden.

    The international community is now preparing to reward the Islamic terrorists and drug dealers by turning Kosovo over to them. Former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia, James Bissett, wrote: "In 1993, Mr. Ceku commanded Croatian forces that violated a U.N.-brokered cease-fire and overran three Serbian villages in the Medac pocket. When the Canadians counterattacked and re-entered the burned villages, they discovered all of the inhabitants and domestic animals had been slaughtered. Mr. Ceku later also ordered undefended Serbian villages shelled in violation of the rules of war, causing heavy casualties among the civilian population." In 1997 a senior CIA official warned Congress that getting arms into Bosnia would be regretted in the future "when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will before this thing is over."

    The future is here, folks. Don't be surprised if the highly mobile Al Qaeda terrorists after taking control in Kosovo, Bosnia and Iraq, show up in your home town to help you understand that "There can be no peace or coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic societies and political institutions," as Izetbeovic put it.
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    What is the purpose of the article exactly ? To say that the present US administration should get their inspiration from Clinton and circumvent Congress and launch military operations in Iraq and elsewhere, or to complain about the big bad US administration who dared bomb peace-loving Serbia and thus helped the evil scheming Bosnians and the cruel back-stabbing Croats ?

    If the purpose is to say the US should have given Serbia free rein in its territorial conflicts against most of its neighbors, I fail to see what kind of peace it would have accomplished. Or how it is in any way linked to Iraq and the recent US election.

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    You win peace? I thought you won victory.

    In any case, the point it clear. Allow the Serbs to kill everyone else and the Serbs will like us. Also with only Serbs left the region will be at peace.

    Let's all sing Kumbyeyah.

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    Don't forget Serb, the terrists are those that the current fashion in Washington politbureau decides. So it's a tricky issue, varying from decade to decade.

    Excect to be (un)pleasantly surprised on the next catwalk.

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    I can't wait until the next balkan war...they're always sooo fun to watch on cnn!

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    Just some quick points

    1)Show me any proof of such an Izetbegovic's plan to ethnic cleans non-muslims that dates to 1992 or before (as the article says that was his plan when he gained power)

    2)Show me an Islamic state that isn't composed of muslims that actually works, if it even exists( as your trying to prove)

    3)what did Izetbegovic have to do with the war in Croatia (as the article says he ethnic cleansed serbs in krajina)

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    France betrayed her Serb brothers. May they forgive us one day

    But why the hell did they elected Milosevic. This one was a real brutal and stupid sob, that was impossible to support Serbia.

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    I think we were bombing the wrong side during the Balkans debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Friend View Post
    What is the purpose of the article exactly ? To say that the present US administration should get their inspiration from Clinton and circumvent Congress and launch military operations in Iraq and elsewhere, or to complain about the big bad US administration who dared bomb peace-loving Serbia and thus helped the evil scheming Bosnians and the cruel back-stabbing Croats ?

    If the purpose is to say the US should have given Serbia free rein in its territorial conflicts against most of its neighbors, I fail to see what kind of peace it would have accomplished. Or how it is in any way linked to Iraq and the recent US election.
    how bout....next time yu dont go stickin ur brown nosing face where it dont belong and mind ur own business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BusterHyman View Post
    I think we were bombing the wrong side during the Balkans debacle.
    understatement of the century

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fazla View Post
    Just some quick points

    1)Show me any proof of such an Izetbegovic's plan to ethnic cleans non-muslims that dates to 1992 or before (as the article says that was his plan when he gained power)

    2)Show me an Islamic state that isn't composed of muslims that actually works, if it even exists( as your trying to prove)

    3)what did Izetbegovic have to do with the war in Croatia (as the article says he ethnic cleansed serbs in krajina)
    1)Why was Balija in jail during the 60's and 70's then? An anti-Serb jail by the way.

    2)I don't understand your point?

    3)Ummm...the Muslim army fought the serbs westwards from Bihac and into Krajina in an attempt to cut off the retreating serbs from croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roland View Post
    France betrayed her Serb brothers. May they forgive us one day

    But why the hell did they elected Milosevic. This one was a real brutal and stupid sob, that was impossible to support Serbia.
    Sadly considering our relationaship with France was so close on a political, military and cultural level for many and many years I was saddened to see what the French politicians were pushing for in the 90's.

    Milosevic tricked the Serbian people. He ran the platform of paranoia surrounding the Serbs which was created by the seccionist and ultranationalistic outbursts of the two other ****heads Tudjman and Izetbegovic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BusterHyman View Post
    I think we were bombing the wrong side during the Balkans debacle.
    I have spent alot of time talking to people in America and Britian and Australia etc and many are coming around to the realization they supported the wrong people in the Balkans debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cp6uH View Post
    how bout....next time yu dont go stickin ur brown nosing face where it dont belong and mind ur own business?
    How 'bout...Next time you want to have a private chat with like-minded friends you don't do it on a public forum, particularly in the section called "Political Discussions and Rants" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127th Knights View Post
    1)Why was Balija in jail during the 60's and 70's then? An anti-Serb jail by the way.

    2)I don't understand your point?

    3)Ummm...the Muslim army fought the serbs westwards from Bihac and into Krajina in an attempt to cut off the retreating serbs from croatia.
    1) Alija (may his soul rest in peace) was in jail because he publicly advocated people to return to Islam, something that was not tolerated in a communist state. Anti-serb my ass. It was anti-non communists no matter of nationality.

    2)He says Islamic institutions cannot function in a non-islamic society.

    As I see you all quote this to say he was clearly an extremist, I am asking you, than, to show me ANY example of an islamic instution that IS actually functioning in a non-islamic context, thus proving he was wrong.

    3)So the 5th korp entering in Croatia in a counter offensive because serbs first attacked bihac... is an ethnic cleansing plan pre arranged for Croatia?
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