Last edited by Adux; 08-05-2008 at 08:34 AM.
LoL...Can you show me where is i didn't let you "free speech"?You are a real killjoy arent you. I am sure nobody here knows for sure, But let me explain the concept of free speech and freedom, We can give our assertions however stupid it maybe.
On your(without any doubts!):
-Julik- 4.GdKp, GazB and me just reply, that...And Borei is pumpjet and I dont think is a valid comparison
Pumpjet is not confirmed yet.Sorry to burst your bubble but the reason the propeller is concealed like that is so the "enemy" can't look at the propeller design and count the number of blades etc.So, please, STFU and think next time, before start the blaming other people in "oppression of freedom". On your "without any doubts" we just said "may beyes,but may be not" - and now you're blame me for that? Oh...please.Guys pls, look at that photo(below) and listen GazB - he said nice word, as always. What you see and what is this(in fact) - it's may be two very different things.
Just because i know that...are you enjoying now?How do you know those wings are fake, for all you know it might be delta-sweptback combo, that NO ONE has ever seen before. BUT ONLY THOSE PEOPLE KNOW, you dont. See how Killjoy works.
P.S. I strongly recommend you to find girlfriend - i hope this will help you to have joy by some other ways, but not on military site but not in debates(which only shows level of your ignorance and stupid "nationalistic proud for such Great Aerospace Country") with people who know much better than you about russian weapons and military. It will be better for start to listen, if not me, then other memebers...especially GazB.
So, is there any word on the T-95 development, or further information on the Black Eagle? Is the Black Eagle turret (can someone give me a name to it) going to be the main turret for the T-95? It is cool to see these upgrades to these tanks, but even the Russian forces know that with these upgrades, do not mean that these tanks are much better then before. So I want to see a brand new tank, with tons of capabilities!
As far as I know the Black Eagle project is based on the T-80 from the factory that made the T-80 in Russia. The hull is lengthened and the auto loader is removed from under the turret ring and placed in the rear of a new turret bustle. This lowers the turret by 40cm and allows the crew to be completely seperated from fuel and ammo and gun.So, is there any word on the T-95 development, or further information on the Black Eagle? Is the Black Eagle turret (can someone give me a name to it) going to be the main turret for the T-95? It is cool to see these upgrades to these tanks, but even the Russian forces know that with these upgrades, do not mean that these tanks are much better then before. So I want to see a brand new tank, with tons of capabilities!
In my opinion the Black Eagle design is a great step forward and should be implimented on existing T-80 and T-64 and T-72 tanks in service in reasonable condition. Initially they can be fitted with 125mm guns for ammo commonality and standardising systems (ie optics etc) and get the new reloading vehicles into service and widespread use quickly. Then as the new T-95 enters service with its 150+mm gun this gun can also be retrofitted to new BE upgrades and eventually all tanks will be either BE standard or T-95 and all with the same 150mm+ gun so ammo commonality will be achieved and production of the T-95 will not have to be too high to update the entire tank fleet.
(Remember this is my opinion)
What seems to be actually happening is that the Russian Army don't seem to see the Black Eagle as enough of an advance on their older vehicles and the makers of the T-90 who have developed the T-95 also seem to be in a better economic and political position (much like Sukhoi in fighter aircraft in Russia) and so it seems that the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s will soldier on and gradually be added to with production focussing on T-90s and T-95s, with presumably the T-95 representing the top shelf tank with the T-90 being the mass produced cheaper model. This mirrors what they have done previously where the T-64 and T-80 were the expensive and best equipped models while the T-72 despite appearances was cheaper and designed for mass production and export. The T-90 is basically a T-72 with many features of the T-80 added to it. Much like the later upgrades of the Su-27 and Mig-29 however the resultant upgraded vehicle is rather better than the original to the point where they are almost new vehicles.
As Alex has pointed out next year the T-95 is supposed to be revealed to the public... much like the PAK-FA 5th gen fighter is also to be revealed then too.
I kinda doubt that either PAK-FA or T-95 will be reviled for while..
Also correct me if am wrong.. But Soviet Union planned that T-90(T-72BU) was just a stopgap for T-95 which was going to enter service in the 90's. Because AFAIK the T-95 development is traced long back.
The flying prototypes of the PAK-FA are being made right now and are expected to take to the air in 2009. Both it and the T-95 (which has been in testing since as early as 1997 unlike the PAK-FA which is only having its first three prototypes made now) are reportedly to be revealed to the world next year (2009).I kinda doubt that either PAK-FA or T-95 will be reviled for while..
Of course you could be right and they might decide not to reveal either till they really have to.
Recently a high up Russian General or guy in power in the military that should know has stated that the T-90 will make up the bulk of the Russian Army in 2020 and that a new tank will be revealed next year (ie 2009) with new engine, new gun, new sensors etc etc. He didn't actually name it as the T-95 but described it as a completely new tank design. Based on these comments I have made the assumptions I made in my post above about the T-90 continuing production as the cheaper tank to be made in numbers to replace older model tanks while the new T-95 will be produced at a slower rate as the new state of the art Russian tank as it can be afforded... it certainly wont be a cheap tank and will be highly computerised, so unless things turn really bad really quickly I don't think it makes sense to start mass producing T-95s.But Soviet Union planned that T-90(T-72BU) was just a stopgap for T-95 which was going to enter service in the 90's.
Having said all that a T-90 with a Black Eagle turret type autoloader should allow a 150mm+ gun to be fitted so ammo logistics can be simplified.
Last edited by Adux; 08-05-2008 at 05:23 AM. Reason: Just not worth the effort
Right now Russia has around 200 produced. If the same thing continues then by 2025 Russia will only have around 944 T-90's and that is still not enough to replace the very old(2025) T-80's and T-72's.