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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeIt View Post
    I served on BMP-1. You're talking out of your *ss. Please, don't.
    What are your thoughts on BMP-1 armor in practice?

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    What makes you say there's a radar there?
    The nose of the aircraft contains the ground scanning radar. The mast mounted radar is for scanning for aerial targets and operates in a longer wavelength.

    If russian army had decided for one helicopter instead of funding two completely different but equal capabilities projects, there would be already a serious number of them in service instead of remaining in prototype stage for over 20 years.
    I disagree. The Kamov models were superior and would have been a better choice with unlimited money and a clean slate. The Mil offer was cheaper even if it was less capable it is significantly superior to what it is replacing and should do a good job. It also has components that can be retrofitted to existing Hind Helos for domestic use and export which makes it even cheaper regarding logistics and mass production reducing component costs.
    The real performance advantage of the Kamov aircraft will not be realised till both aircraft are fully fitted with air to air and air to ground radar that works. Till then the Mi-28 is significantly better in the field.

    What's a point of making more prototypes deprived of essential equipment.
    Everything has to work together to make a whole system, but when you are still developing some components it makes sense to test them on their own so you can isolate problems quicker. Once it works properly then you just have integration problems instead of teething problems and integration problems all at once...

    I thought that the Yakhont was to have a 400+km or so range, and the Brahmos 300km to fit within the MTCR, or is that the Oniks?
    Yakhont is the export model that Brahmos is based on. Onyx is the Russian version with no limits on it except if it is land launched.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but is that the ABL flying test bed the Soviet Union was using in the 80s? Why in the world would Russia want to resurrect that project, the entire concept imo is retarded and the Americans were right to scrap their 2nd test-bed and put the brakes on the project.
    Might be crap as an ABM system but having an aircraft that can kill at the speed of light aerial targets 400km distant might be interesting.

    Does anyone have any information as to what Russia will use as a combat UAV (hunter drone)?
    Hard to tell. Large number of Russian companies design UAVs. Very few actually in service.

    WOW
    Impressive!

    Some information about that UAV ?
    Click on link below picture...

    But when I asked the question last, people just ignored it.
    I didn't ignore it. I just don't know. A lot of other people in same boat as me on this. Don't take it personally if you don't get a reply.

    I am pretty sure they have stabilizers, they are just not good enough for sustained cross country fire while moving.
    Out to 1,000m or so the standard anti tank weapon was not the AT-3 ATGM due to guidance minimum range issues. At ranges beyond 1,000m using the AT-3 the BMP-1 must be stationary to fire its missile for a long period till the missile hit. The US/UK equivelent didn't stop as they were the M113/FV 432 respectively and didn't have any anti tank capability. The Replacement Bradley and Warrior changed the situation because the Bradley has an ATGM, but it has to remain stationary during missile launches. The Warrior does not have an anti tank missile. Stopping to fire a 73mm round was not such a penalty it appears even today.
    When it was introduced the 73mm round would penetrate an M60s front hull cleanly. Can't say the same now though.

    But having said that, if fuel is not usually put in the rear tanks in action, why is this always quoted as a 'grave weakness' of the BMP?
    It was Soviet procedure not to put fuel there in combat. The other users of the vehicle did not adopt the same procedures.

    It's basically RPG-7 fired rocket with lightly modified propulsion to increase range, effective up to 500m, yepee.
    Closer to 1,200m and rather more like an SPG-9 round than an RPG round, though the latter is not the worst weapon to be compared to as it is rather effective.

    What are your thoughts on BMP-1 armor in practice?
    It was designed to stop the standard NATO APC round of the time, which was 20mm AP. It could stop it in the frontal arc when fired from about 500m or so. The sides were supposed to stop HMG rounds but not armour piercing HMG rounds.

    Western thoughts on the BMP tend to be rather negative because they prefer armour to amphibious capability. Used properly it should be effective enough.

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    The side is what concerns me. Turret generally fared decently in conflicts (Chechnya) and the front is well known to us (heavy caliber resistant), although the heavy sloping of the front hull is a problem, shooters from buildings or elevated positions will find that from their positions the front hull is easy to pierce. But the side does leak even assault rifle AP rounds at close distances. This is unacceptable, doctrine or design nonwithstanding. It really angers me to see Russian troops riding around in BMPs without addition side armor (even though it was USED ALREADY in afghanistan). Further many vehicles have added on turret "mats" or stand off armor, but nothing on the sides. This despite the side hull being vastly more vulnerable and likely to be hit that the turret (which fares fine anwyays when attacked by small arms).

    12.7mm resistance to at least some degree is a must on any BTR and BMP design IMO.

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    Guys from Niistal have solution to safety problems, but yeah, army isn't very interested,i only saw few btr modifications with cage armor in 08.08.08 war

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    I agree. Now that they are putting expensive new night vision stuff and computers in these vehicles maybe they will think less about amphibious capability and more about protecting their investment and their troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    This photo is going to the Putin in disguise thread...look closely!

    That's not Putin in disguise. That's Putin's long-lost Asian brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
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    ^ Nordic WHITE RUssia STRONG!!!11+1+1+1oneoneone

    Damn, that's some serious inferiority complex there.

    That's an interesting coat of arms you got as your avatar, what does it represent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazB View Post
    I agree. Now that they are putting expensive new night vision stuff and computers in these vehicles maybe they will think less about amphibious capability and more about protecting their investment and their troops
    Does the BMP-3 not solve most of those problems? The BMP-3 side armour should stop 7.62mm AP rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MareCar View Post
    Said picture shows British DPM camo and not French camo.
    Exacly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void View Post
    Does the BMP-3 not solve most of those problems? The BMP-3 side armour should stop 7.62mm AP rounds.
    Definitely, assault rifle fire is easily stopped unless I am mistaken. Side hull should be much better against 12.7 than BMp-1 and 2 as well, and this is without the numerous up-armoring kits available for it. Front armor is a world ahead too.

    EDIT: with passive additional armor 12.7 AP from 50meters will not pierce. This is the minimum that needs to be adopted IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmaStrat View Post
    That's an interesting coat of arms you got as your avatar, what does it represent?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_People%27s_Movement_(Finland)

    I'm not a supporter nor I'd want an organisation like that to be revived but the insignia is powerful - an echo of the old, less PC times. In addition, the provoking message fits my MP.net personality rather well (). As for what it represents..well, it's pretty clear from the picture that it's the Finnish white guard/anti-communist beating the Russian (communist) bear with a club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    What are your thoughts on BMP-1 armor in practice?
    Never been fired upon in real life, however we had several old hulls on the range for RPG training. We fired at them with what was available to us, from AK to PKM, i don't remeber any holes been made. The closest one afair 100m, farthest at 400 meters far..

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    Even from sides? Sorry if you can't answer .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Even from sides? Sorry if you can't answer .
    Yes, they were all positioned that way, exept for the farthest one, facing towards us.

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    Good to know, thanks!

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