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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.

    T-80? T-80 was not used in Georgia simply because none were deployed nearby. In case of real **** going down, T-80 would be the premier Russian MBT.

    Same for Kh-55. It is a critical strategic component of the current Russian arsenal. Even modernized Kh-55SM and Kh-555 share much with it.
    Russia wouldnt sell Kh-55 to anyone, they take special care to adhere to the MTCR, note all of the export versions of Russian missiles which are restricted specifically to under 300km range. eg: Iskander-E vs Iskander-M

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    If this was the case, I think the Russian government would have put more into the upgrading of the SU-27's and the T-80's.
    In the case of a fighter plane, the radar can be compromised, knowledge of its operating frequency etc can be really damaging. But in the case of a tank, what can be compromised? The armor effectiveness isnt a huge secret, maybe the composition yes, but I'm assuming that the West have at least equivalent armour tech as a T-80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    If this was the case, I think the Russian government would have put more into the upgrading of the SU-27's and the T-80's.
    They have. Su-27SM? The problem is RUssia is not awash in money that can be spent on upgrading the whole fleet in 4 years. Believe it or not, but if Russian generals had their way Su-27 would be gone by now, all Pak-fas would be flying. Reality is diffirent from wishes .

    With T-80...well not much can be done really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by void View Post
    Russia wouldnt sell Kh-55 to anyone, they take special care to adhere to the MTCR, note all of the export versions of Russian missiles which are restricted specifically to under 300km range. eg: Iskander-E vs Iskander-M
    Russia yes, Ukraine, no.

    Also somehow an occasional Kh-55 finding its way out of Russia in the 90s would not surprise me. But it would be easier to get it from Ukraine anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-5 View Post
    God damn! I would destroy the one on the left (obviously not the one dressed in white).

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    As I remember there was BTR-80A with 23 mm gun.
    You might be getting confused with the new model MTLB with the new model KPV HMG that seems to be recalibrated to 23mm. There is another MTLB model with a twin barrel 23mm gun as well, but the version I am talking about has what appears to be a KPV HMG gun but with a modified muzzle. The original KPV has a cone shaped recoil booster, whereas the new model gun is slightly different calibre and a muzzle brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclear_Warrior View Post
    God damn! I would destroy the one on the left (obviously not the one dressed in white).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Those SU-27's where old and currently being upgraded (so I doubt they will have all the original components that the ones Ukrain sold to US). T-80's to UK? Well, that one is hard to compare, but the T-80's are hardly used in combat by Russia (see the georgian war). And the KH-55's, Russia is currently selling the tech anyway (KH-101 or something along those lines).
    There is a rumor with set up Morocco based company buying several Msta's and T-80U's, but despite the hype there is hardly any tangible evidence of it actually happening. I disagree that there is nothing to learn from T-80 (U or UM that is), especially back in the 90's when these tanks were most formidable armored units in Army's disposal. Reps from Chrysler and GM visiting Omsk shows have been noted to be especially eager to snap a pic of what's beneath engine deck or the interior of latest offerings. Speaking of offerings, it appears Cyprus wants to buy more T-80Us after this year's exhibition (wonder if they are going to be custom made).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.
    75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.
    This is irrelevant to point raised. While Ukrainian Su-27UB sold are virtually identical to Russian AF birds, they were sold to private hands and demilitarized before shipment (things must be getting really desperate in Ukraine). Moldovan MiG-29s on the other hand were sold as operational combat hardware, something no one seems to remember after some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.
    There are a number of Russian flankers that are Sm upgraded. So no, not 100% percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GazB View Post
    You might be getting confused with the new model MTLB with the new model KPV HMG that seems to be recalibrated to 23mm. There is another MTLB model with a twin barrel 23mm gun as well, but the version I am talking about has what appears to be a KPV HMG gun but with a modified muzzle. The original KPV has a cone shaped recoil booster, whereas the new model gun is slightly different calibre and a muzzle brake.
    I was talking about this one
    But anyway it doesen`t seem to be a 30 mm work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mannelig View Post
    I was talking about this one
    But anyway it doesen`t seem to be a 30 mm work.

    Well, that is a BTR-80A with a 30mm cannon, but I doubt that they used that so close to their own soldiers heads, maybe the coax 7.62 machine gun then?

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    Here's Btr-60 with the same turret,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9m5-k_vro

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    Russian Baltic fleet submarine S-2 sunk by mines in 1940 has been discovered.

    There's some pics on this link

    English news link

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoevayaSistema View Post
    Here's Btr-60 with the same turret
    The turret is the same, but the main gun is the older 2A42 and not the 2A72.

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