Reply With Quotemultipurpose rocket-propelled grenade (реактивная многоцелевая граната, РМГ)Originally Posted by sepheronx
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multipurpose rocket-propelled grenade (реактивная многоцелевая граната, РМГ)
Large landing ship of Project 11711E
Displacement, full-load, t about 5,000
Length, m 120
Breadth, m 16.5
Mean draught, m 3.6
Propulsion plant diesel (10D49)
Main engines (number x power), hp 2 x 5,000
Full speed, knots 18
Endurance, days 30
Crushing range at 16 knots, miles 3,500
Complement, men about 100
Armament
Multiple launch rocket system:
Number of systems 2
Caliber,140 mm
Self-defense weapons:
Number and type of artillery gun mounts
(barrels x caliber) 1 AK-176
(1 x 76mm), 2 AK-630 (6 x 30mm)
Helicopter:
Helicopter Ka-29,
landing spot, hangar
Landing control system Modul-V
Military lift 13 60-ton tanks or 36 APCs;
300 troops
BY COMPARISON
MISTRAL
Type:landing platform helicopterDisplacement:16,500 tonnes (empty)
21,300 tonnes (full load)
32,300 tonnes (with ballasts)Length:199 metres (650 ft)Beam:32 metres (100 ft)Draught:6.3 metres (21 ft)Installed power:3 Wärtsilä diesels-alternators 16 V32 (6,2 MW) + 1 Wärtsilä Vasaa auxiliary diesel-alternator 18V200 (3 MW)Propulsion:2 Mermaïd electric motors (2 × 7 MW), 2 5-bladed propellersSpeed:18.8 knots (35 km/h)Range:10,800 kilometres (5,800 nmi) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
19,800 kilometres (10,700 nmi) at 15 knots (28 km/h)Boats and landing
craft carried:4 CTM (chaland de transport de matériel)
alternatively, 2 LCAC (Landing Craft, Air Cushion)Capacity:59 vehicles (including 13 Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalionTroops:900 (short duration)
450 (long durations)
150 (serving as operational headquarters)Complement:20 officers, 80 petty officers, 60 quarter-mastersSensors and
processing systemsRBN-38A Decca Bridgemaster E250 navigation radar
MRR3D-NG air/surface sentry radar
2 optronic fire control systemsArmament:2 x Simbad systems
2 x 30 mm Breda-Mauser guns
4 x 12.7 mm M2-HB Browning machine gunsAircraft carried:16 heavy or 35 light helicoptersAviation facilities:6 helicopter landing spots
ANY MORE SILLY QUESTIONS?
interesting vid.. thnx
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Sorry, can´t see the pic. Can you upload it again or post the link?Russian large landing craft 11711 "Ivan Gren" in shipyard:
Enter in Russian Navy at 2012 year.
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Missiles for TorM1
Imitator of air target.
mistral
I think that Mistral is a good ship and It is not too expensive for the western standard.Large landing ship of Project 11711E
Displacement, full-load, t about 5,000
Length, m 120
Breadth, m 16.5
Mean draught, m 3.6
Propulsion plant diesel (10D49)
Main engines (number x power), hp 2 x 5,000
Full speed, knots 18
Endurance, days 30
Crushing range at 16 knots, miles 3,500
Complement, men about 100
Armament
Multiple launch rocket system:
Number of systems 2
Caliber,140 mm
Self-defense weapons:
Number and type of artillery gun mounts
(barrels x caliber) 1 AK-176
(1 x 76mm), 2 AK-630 (6 x 30mm)
Helicopter:
Helicopter Ka-29,
landing spot, hangar
Landing control system Modul-V
Military lift 13 60-ton tanks or 36 APCs;
300 troops
BY COMPARISON
MISTRAL
Type:landing platform helicopterDisplacement:16,500 tonnes (empty)
21,300 tonnes (full load)
32,300 tonnes (with ballasts)Length:199 metres (650 ft)Beam:32 metres (100 ft)Draught:6.3 metres (21 ft)Installed power:3 Wärtsilä diesels-alternators 16 V32 (6,2 MW) + 1 Wärtsilä Vasaa auxiliary diesel-alternator 18V200 (3 MW)Propulsion:2 Mermaïd electric motors (2 × 7 MW), 2 5-bladed propellersSpeed:18.8 knots (35 km/h)Range:10,800 kilometres (5,800 nmi) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
19,800 kilometres (10,700 nmi) at 15 knots (28 km/h)Boats and landing
craft carried:4 CTM (chaland de transport de matériel)
alternatively, 2 LCAC (Landing Craft, Air Cushion)Capacity:59 vehicles (including 13 Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalionTroops:900 (short duration)
450 (long durations)
150 (serving as operational headquarters)Complement:20 officers, 80 petty officers, 60 quarter-mastersSensors and
processing systems
MRR3D-NG air/surface sentry radar
2 optronic fire control systemsArmament:2 x Simbad systems
2 x 30 mm Breda-Mauser guns
4 x 12.7 mm M2-HB Browning machine gunsAircraft carried:16 heavy or 35 light helicoptersAviation facilities:6 helicopter landing spots
ANY MORE SILLY QUESTIONS?
If the Russian Navy want to assess an alternative project They could evaluate the Fincantieri product already proposed to Italian Navy (possibly with Russian self defense weapons)
Type:LPD-LHD
Length overall 190.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 167.00 m
Maximum breadth 33 m
Breadth 28.00 m
Full Load Displacement 20,000 t
Propulsion Diesel engines 10,000 kWm
Diesel Generators sets 4x 2,500 kWe
Operational speed 20 knots
Range at 16 knots 7,000 NM
Flight deck for up to 6 helicopters EH-101 type
Helicopters hangar for up to 6 EH-101 type
Vehicle deck capability up to 1200 metric lanes
Hospital area about 1000 m² plus 1000 m² of convertible areas
Floodable dock about 50x15 m
Vehicle ramps 1 stern + 1 side
Accomodation 200 crew + 750 troups
Combat System:
Air & Surface surveillance system ( combined air/surface surveillance radar or air+surface surveillance radar's)
Mine avoidance sonar
Artillery: 3 Short Range Gun 25mm + 2 Otomelara 76/62 SR (acting also as CIWS)
EW system (ESM/ECM + 2 AAW DLS)
Torpedo defense (Towed Array + 2 ASW DLS)
Open archtectural command & control system able to be implemented also in later phase (i.e. adding operational functions & operator consoles) (400 m² avaible)
Integrated comms. system (including also the means for landing troups)
Integrated navigation system (including X and S band navigation radar's)
And perhaps the most important difference:Large landing ship of Project 11711E
Displacement, full-load, t about 5,000
Length, m 120
Breadth, m 16.5
Mean draught, m 3.6
Propulsion plant diesel (10D49)
Main engines (number x power), hp 2 x 5,000
Full speed, knots 18
Endurance, days 30
Crushing range at 16 knots, miles 3,500
Complement, men about 100
Armament
Multiple launch rocket system:
Number of systems 2
Caliber,140 mm
Self-defense weapons:
Number and type of artillery gun mounts
(barrels x caliber) 1 AK-176
(1 x 76mm), 2 AK-630 (6 x 30mm)
Helicopter:
Helicopter Ka-29,
landing spot, hangar
Landing control system Modul-V
Military lift 13 60-ton tanks or 36 APCs;
300 troops
BY COMPARISON
MISTRAL
Type:landing platform helicopterDisplacement:16,500 tonnes (empty)
21,300 tonnes (full load)
32,300 tonnes (with ballasts)Length:199 metres (650 ft)Beam:32 metres (100 ft)Draught:6.3 metres (21 ft)Installed power:3 Wärtsilä diesels-alternators 16 V32 (6,2 MW) + 1 Wärtsilä Vasaa auxiliary diesel-alternator 18V200 (3 MW)Propulsion:2 Mermaïd electric motors (2 × 7 MW), 2 5-bladed propellersSpeed:18.8 knots (35 km/h)Range:10,800 kilometres (5,800 nmi) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
19,800 kilometres (10,700 nmi) at 15 knots (28 km/h)Boats and landing
craft carried:4 CTM (chaland de transport de matériel)
alternatively, 2 LCAC (Landing Craft, Air Cushion)Capacity:59 vehicles (including 13 Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalionTroops:900 (short duration)
450 (long durations)
150 (serving as operational headquarters)Complement:20 officers, 80 petty officers, 60 quarter-mastersSensors and
processing systems
MRR3D-NG air/surface sentry radar
2 optronic fire control systemsArmament:2 x Simbad systems
2 x 30 mm Breda-Mauser guns
4 x 12.7 mm M2-HB Browning machine gunsAircraft carried:16 heavy or 35 light helicoptersAviation facilities:6 helicopter landing spots
ANY MORE SILLY QUESTIONS?
11711E
Laid down 2004, expected to enter service 2012 (surely much later, from 1991 not a single naval projects for russian navy met the expected commisioning date)-> >8 years for a 5000t ship
MISTRAL
2,5 years from laid down till commisioning despite 4 times the size.
Russia inherited almost all soviet naval power (except some vessels and nikolayev shipyard remaining in Ukraine), but managed to waste most of it during Jelzin years and continues to destroy the rest under Putin/Medvedev.
Most of the soviet-built ships are nearing the end of their service life, while the shipyards receive payments in small grains so construction of small corvettes or diesel submarines takes more then of 50 times larger ships elsewhere.
This policy will lead to death of russian naval shipbuilding within the next few decades and the country will be reverted to pre-industrial conditions of Czarist Russia where most first line combat ships were built abroad. And this seems to fit some in russias ruling circles.
Russian naval shipbuilding has no capacity to build these at the moment. The Soviet industries like the aviation sometimes grew from first reverse-engineering western models that came into their procession during WW2. They will also gain some valuable tactical expertise in the areas of modern project management and manufacturing processes. So please spare us from all the hysteria with Russian shipbuilding industry disappearing. The experience of building and operating Mistral class ships allows to forgo certain related R&D costs and mistakes and lends plenty of opportunity to fill the gaps in the areas of technological know how and manufacturing. There is simply no time to wait for the Russian shipbuilding to kickback from its lethargic state. The process of improving strategic situation has to run in parallel to any economic and industrial revival. Simple as that.
sure, russians will gain cool experience in construction enormous luxurious barges
Sure. When even a small corvette blocks the yard for over 6 years, no wonder they have no capacity. By this definition russian shipyards are the busiest in the world, but hardly by judging on the the output capacity.
Which technical gaps? Considering the claim all electronical and combat equipment will be russian, it's just the hull they are buying. Did NPKB lost the capability to develop a steel hull after 50 years of project work?The Soviet industries like the aviation sometimes grew from first reverse-engineering western models that came into their procession during WW2. They will also gain some valuable tactical expertise in the areas of modern project management and manufacturing processes. So please spare us from all the hysteria with Russian shipbuilding industry disappearing. The experience of building and operating Mistral class ships allows to forgo certain related R&D costs and mistakes and lends plenty of opportunity to fill the gaps in the areas of technological know how and manufacturing.
Also a horror to imagine how long those three Mistrals to be built on russian shipyards will take.
The problem is not the technology, the problem is the all-spawning corruption which prevents the funding to reach russian shipyards.
Then let's wait for this industrial revival? So far nothing in sight. And will hardly be as long there is no political revival.There is simply no time to wait for the Russian shipbuilding to kickback from its lethargic state. The process of improving strategic situation has to run in parallel to any economic and industrial revival. Simple as that.
Believe me their expertise in building such ships right now is not nearly as cool as it used to be some 20 years ago. So they need all the help they can get.sure, russians will gain cool experience in construction enormous luxurious barges
Also this 'barge' will have quite a bite in Russian Marines' hands. Russians are about to launch serial production of 2S31 Vena, T90 tanks, BRDM-3 and BTR-82A specifically for the Russian Marines.
http://www.enemyforces.net/artillery/vena.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1810.html
Source in Russian:
http://lenta.ru/news/2009/11/27/morpeh/
and English:
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20091127/157006503.html
Yep. Corruption is part of the problem as well and it is being dealt with.
By buying a french ship? (btw not part, but greatest part)
Corruption has to be defeated first, otherwise the 3 vessels to be built in russia will take over 20 years each to be completed. Actually even equipping the lead ship with russian equipment will take longer then french spent on a complete ship, if the equipment will be delivered in current manner.
Mistral is a completely senseless deal which address nor the military, nor the military-industrial problems of Russia.
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