Russian Photos (updated on regular basis)

**sepheronx** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by TheArmenian

@ Shepheronx

The cold war is over, there won't be any massive tank battles in Europe in the foreseable future. URALWAGONZAVOD does not need to produce 1000 tanks per annum. Considering that the Russians keep their tanks for 30 years at least (hell, there are still a few T-55s kicking around), that would mean having 30,000 tanks!!!!

As MZKT indicated, they are making about 60 per year for the Russian army, 100 for India and also 100 for Algeria (he forgot that). 60 per annum may seem too small to replace their tank fleet, but since they do have thousand of capable tanks in storage (most of them T-72s). So why waste money to build new ones. The Georgia war showed that the existing ones are good enough to kick some ass. In addition, there is a new tank (T-95??) coming up.

@ MZKT

Many people here think you are negative. Most of the time I take your criticizm and pessimism in a positive and constructive way.
Some points that you have consistently hammered : "acquisitions in small numbers" or "single-digit purchases" are your favourite terms. You are correct, but bear in mind that a few years ago there were very few weapon systems that the Russian defense ministry was buying in small numbers. Now, there are lots of weapon systems that they are buying in small numbers. Big difference. Massive arms production (as much as I like shiny new weapons) is not going to happen unless a new cold war really heats up. In the meanwhile things are slowly getting forward incrementaly and that is the way it should be. I hope the shiny new weapon acquisition keeps on growing slowly but steadily. I also hope the global financial crisis will not slow down or reverse things.

Cold war is over, really? Didn't even know that!
[/sarcasm]

I was just wondering how many tanks they develop in that plant per year. Did not know it was that huge of numbers.

**Mr.Woland** · 02-21-2009

In 1993 our research center wasn't able even to return back specimen from testing coz 90% of production and testing string became stayed in former SU republics.
Nowdays 95% of our production string are recreat in Russia. Only testing area stayed in Kazahstan (rent to 203x year).

**Gast** · 02-21-2009

Tank-like object on the playground in Kaluga-city. I think it was made on some tank-producing plant.

http://chernovv.livejournal.com/164422.html

**Mr.Woland** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Gast

Tank-like object on the playground in Kaluga-city. I think it was made on some tank-producing plant.

It is Lunahod.
I had lived near that area for 2 years.

**Husar-T** · 02-21-2009

MZKT

Wow, not being a "Putin-Russia's Saviour"-Fanboy means to be a commie nostalgic.

That's the impression you leave.

And being a "commie nostalgic" is fine with me but you have to take circumstances in consideration when you start throwing numbers around. Some more serious money was only allocated for domestic production only as recently as 2007, so you won't see any substantial numbers entering service until after 2010.....and the current crisis will make things even harder.

On the T-90 production...

This year 90 tanks are suppose to be produced for the Russian Army...lets see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Woland

In 1993 our research center wasn't able even to return back specimen from testing coz 90% of production and testing string became stayed in former SU republics.
Nowdays 95% of our production string are recreat in Russia. Only testing area stayed in Kazahstan (rent to 203x year).

What sort of production are we talking about.

**Mr.Woland** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Husar-T

What sort of production are we talking about.

Guidance and stellar monitoring systems.

**TR1** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Snoshi

How many of those tanks are in good operational order? I can bet that most "storage" tanks are not really functional.. Also Georgia war showed that T-72's is good enough against a crappy enemy with no anti-tank capabilities, no air force and same "level" of tanks..
At the same time i can say that look at how Georgian T-72's performed.

WHat, crappy enemy? Thats not what the Russophobe and Felgenhaur crowd told us before August.

**Red_Rage** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by TheRussian1

WHat, crappy enemy? Thats not what the Russophobe and Felgenhaur crowd told us before August.

Yep, Georgian army varies from the most well equipped [and professional!] army in Caucausus, to a mob of untrained goblins - depends what agenda the person is trying to fulfill.

Snoshi conviniently forgot the fact that Georgians did possess "upgraded in Israel" T-72s, plenty of ATGMs and artillery with modern communucation and guidence devices (all in superior numbers, at least initially).

**Snoshi** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Red_Rage

Yep, Georgian army varies from the most well equipped [and professional!] army in Caucausus, to a mob of untrained goblins - depends what agenda the person is trying to fulfill.

Snoshi conviniently forgot the fact that Georgians did possess "upgraded in Israel" T-72s, plenty of ATGMs and artillery with modern communucation and guidence devices (all in superior numbers, at least initially).

A pig in a dress is still a pig

Also ATGM's would have no use in urban terrain and especially since the Georgian army was on offense.

**sepheronx** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Snoshi

A pig in a dress is still a pig

Also ATGM's would have no use in urban terrain and especially since the Georgian army was on offense.

So are you just saying the T-72 is just a piece of crap?

I guess that means so is the T-90.

**kollaps** · 02-21-2009

i believe quite soon russia will again write huge budget surpluses, simply because resources be it gas, oil, metals, grain are becoming rare. the defence budget will not be touched for now, and for about two years russia still has enough reserves to spend.

if you look at all those oil projects which are stopped now, things like the collapsing oil production in mexico and so on, i expect oil prices to rebound sharply in about a year or so.

money won`t be the primary issue. the fight for resources is the great game of the 21. century and i actually expect russia to have quite a lot money to spend.

russia factories have still a very low productivity, in fact if you apply western standards the russian military industrial complex could produce the same with about one third of the workforce if i remember the numbers correctly. and productivy is allready improving in the space sector productivity increased at 13 % last year.

some capabilities will be lost, and there are still too many redunant companies. but there`s a lot of integration going on, and i still believe most capabilities will survive, and the rest will be regained by simply throwing billions at it. the problems are huge, but many people allready thought that russia wouldn`t be able to send a rocket to space today, and we all know that didn`t happen. just my opinion

**TakeIt** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Snoshi

A pig in a dress is still a pig

Please, do not insult the pigs.

Also ATGM's would have no use in urban terrain and especially since the Georgian army was on offense.

Hold on here. How did you came up with this little gem?

**Red_Rage** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Snoshi

Also ATGM's would have no use in urban terrain and especially since the Georgian army was on offense.

Georgian army was on offense for entire what..15-17 hours? Then it was 3 days of running, during which any army with half a brain would deploy ATGM teams to cover the retreat. Several Russian tanks were completely destroyed by ATGM fire, and those were well documented facts.

ATGMs have no use in urban environment!? This statement alone shows complete lack of any military knowledge.

**Alef** · 02-21-2009

**Snoshi** · 02-21-2009

Originally Posted by Red_Rage

ATGMs have no use in urban environment!? This statement alone shows complete lack of any military knowledge.

ATGM's main advantage is that its supposed to engage a tank very far away from a concealed position.. Inside urban areas that advantage diminishes. After firing the operators will need to be very quick to take the launcher with them and escape so they will avoid the return fire.

All ATGM's also have a minimum range.

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