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[Yeren]

Hi, is this gun a SR-3 modified version or AS VAL without a silencer? Any official designation for this weapon?

[samourai]

the designation is SR 3 M

[K-5]

this is so embarassing



every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..

True, but this is to show their physical fitness level, something Gen. Margelov demanded from all his troops. Would be weird if they showed off tactical skills in front of a crowd of people, mostly their girlfriends, families and locals. Well, all to all, an ugly word 'pokazukha' pretty much summarizes ugliness and awkwardness of the show.

[planeman]

this is so embarassing



every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..

I agree with your opinion but sadly not your view that "capable" armies don't do this type of antics. Royal Marine commandos - tough guys yes, choreographed moves.. um yes,.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkV_50UBYbg

[GazB]

I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

Yes, because the USMC was formed before there were any para units in Russia or the Soviet Union so they own all para wing badges...

For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I have never had any problems seeing US troops in their chocolate chip desert camo... but lets blame US troops because the uniform they are made to wear is not effective...

I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

They are competing to win a position within the unit. The beret represents the unit. It makes sense to award them with a symbol of the unit they are competing to join.

And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

Have you read the uniform regulations of the units in question?
Can you post them here?

I have lots of photos of Soviet special forces personel from Afghanistan and they are wearing what they want and carrying the weapons they want. I don't see why such flexibility should not extend to camouflage type.

And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

What are their regulations... please post them here.

Don't take it personally, it's a very complex subject and modern Russia is the least regulated and clear field of study in this respect

So they don't have these regulations you are complaining they are not following... doesn't it make sense they are not following regulations they don't have?

The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.

Of all their problems I doubt getting the right look before they go out is their most urgent.

Strange ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm,

Think he meant 100mm rifled gun as used in the BMP-3.

I don't think it is smart to put bigger cal. gun with slow rate of fire on BMPT.

Person who mentioned the 57mm gun said it was for the BMPs not the BMPT. It is a potential long term replacement for the 30mm cannon.
The S-60 was a pretty good AAG, so on a BMP with sophisticated aiming equipment it might make targetting helos out to 5-6km possible.

BTW the two in service air defence vehicles in Russia are the ZSU-23-4 (4,000 rpm) and the 2S6M (5,000 rpm). If rate of fire was important to the BMPT then replacing the two 2A42 cannon with a single 2A38M would increase the rate of fire from about 600rpm at the low rate setting and 1,000 rpm at the high rate setting for the 2 x 2A42s to 2,500 rpm for a single 2A38M.
The focus is obviously not rate of fire.

A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.

Agree. The 100mm rounds would be for use against unarmoured targets with HE rounds or helos or MBTs at long range with missiles and the 57mm gun will handle pretty much any lighter armour and even MBT from the side with newer ammo.

Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.

The 115mm is inferior to the 125mm. The 100mm of the BMP-3 should be kept.

On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

Yes... I noticed that too.

[piton_kaa]

Strangely enough, some photos reveal soviet troops wearing Puma Clydes! Lend-Lease?

Pakistan\Astan made.

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

this is so embarassing

every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..

just for the people like you i wrote this in my post

for people like to ask silly questions - this is show, we clearly undertsand that some skills are absolutely useless on the battlefield. they are showing them to visitors' entertainment.

please be attentive next time

many of the 3-rd world armies took this thigs from us.

modern armies maybe they just can't do that.

US whole state is younger then russian naval infantry

Israel... for how many years it exists? army traditions?!

[Stonewall71]

Yesterday I saw on EURONEWS images of a military celebration in Moscow, does anyone havep ics of that?

[Lesa]

Military-patriotic forum on the Red Square


http://www.1tv.ru/news/sport/146077 - video
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0032341/ - video

[Difool]

Hi, is this gun a SR-3 modified version or AS VAL without a silencer? Any official designation for this weapon?

I just love the Vikhr!!!

[GTX-Typhoon]

Think he meant 100mm rifled gun as used in the BMP-3.

I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.

The 115mm is inferior to the 125mm. The 100mm of the BMP-3 should be kept.

1: Indeed, 115mm is inferior to the 125mm.

2: The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

For the rest, BMP/BMD serie's should get a new design with vastly improved armour and far better electronics. Also it should get a RWS.

[void]

I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.



1: Indeed, 115mm is inferior to the 125mm.

2: The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

For the rest, BMP/BMD serie's should get a new design with vastly improved armour and far better electronics. Also it should get a RWS.

The 100mm gun on the BMP-3 is a medium pressure gun, the 115mm as seen on say the T-62 is a high pressure gun. Chassis or gun would have to be modified to make them compatible. The recoil length on the 115mm would be quite severe, making the maximum elevation possible much less than with a medium pressure 100mm. This would reduce the range of indirect fire.
There are always tradeoff. Dont assume that just because 115 is a bigger number than 100 that it would automatically be better.

Many of the armour limitation of the BMD/BMP are due to weight. BMD has to be air drappable, BMP has to be amphibious. Now, I think there should be a variety of integrated add on armour packages available, for when neither air-drop or amphibious capabilities are needed, but the base vehicle mass will still be restricted by those two requirements.

[Figurant]

Yes, because the USMC was formed before there were any para units in Russia or the Soviet Union so they own all para wing badges...

I get the joke but WTF??? The USMC was formed before there was any plane do drop any parachutist. On the other hand, Russian marines are older than the USMC. And the Soviets performed the first paradrop from a military plane ever. Para troops were formed even prior to WWII, para badges existed in the SU in the 20s already and the history of the VDV itself doesn't begin with Margelov. And the Soviet VDV was the largest and sole dedicated airborne fighting arm ever.
So there is no sense at all to wear non-indigenous para badges, except for the fact that they are sexier than the toshnotnik
Especially when you're not a parachutist...

I have never had any problems seeing US troops in their chocolate chip desert camo...

Yeah, but the problem is that OMON is not army, and not even troops - they're simply riot police, as the M in the abbrev. should clearly tell anyone who doubts it
Do the French CRS wear blue urban camo? Do SWAT operatives indulge in fancy dressing?

They are competing to win a position within the unit. The beret represents the unit. It makes sense to award them with a symbol of the unit they are competing to join.

It would indeed make sense if it was so, but the beret doesn't represent the unit, otherwise anyone who would join it would get it. It represents a certain achievement, and no army in the world (except in Congo and Angola perhaps) rewards an intra-unit achievement with a dress element.

Have you read the uniform regulations of the units in question?
Can you post them here?

The regulations about the dress and uniform code concerning all military servicemen (i.e. including the VV, Ministry of Emergency situations, FSB etc.) are all outlined in the 2005 Presidential order about this matter (with amendations). If you read Russian, you can read it for example here: http://www.mchs.gov.ru/mchs/law/index.php?ID=4201

I have lots of photos of Soviet special forces personel from Afghanistan and they are wearing what they want and carrying the weapons they want. I don't see why such flexibility should not extend to camouflage type.

You talk about SOF operatives in the field. I talk about police and law enforcement/ministry of interior servicemen in public view.

doesn't it make sense they are not following regulations they don't have?

The problem of Russia is not the lack of regulation, but the plethore of them, added with a general feeling of "WTF" that is all-pervasive especially in the MVD.

Of all their problems I doubt getting the right look before they go out is their most urgent.

The outward look of any soldier/policeman is a sign of its respect for discipline and hierarchy. It's not like they (including generals) don't have any Floras left for poor VV guys who are obliged to buy cheap DPM copies Compare that the the "real" army - it's heaven and hell...

[medo]

BTW the two in service air defence vehicles in Russia are the ZSU-23-4 (4,000 rpm) and the 2S6M (5,000 rpm). If rate of fire was important to the BMPT then replacing the two 2A42 cannon with a single 2A38M would increase the rate of fire from about 600rpm at the low rate setting and 1,000 rpm at the high rate setting for the 2 x 2A42s to 2,500 rpm for a single 2A38M.
The focus is obviously not rate of fire.

I agree with you, that putting 2A38M on BMPT could give higher rate of fire. I think 2 × 2A42 guns is more compromise between high rate of fire and limited quantity of ammo for guns and is more on level of ZU-23. Against infantry you sometimes need longer fire and with very high rate of fire (4000 rpm) you will quite quickly run out of ammo. Against infantry 1000 rpm is still quite effective.

[piton_kaa]

The regulations about the dress and uniform code concerning all military servicemen (i.e. including the VV, Ministry of Emergency situations, FSB etc.) are all outlined in the 2005 Presidential order about this matter (with amendations).

Actually, according to that very President's order, all ministries and organisations having military service work out their own regulations concerning uniforms wearing, parade, field and everyday dress, signs, patches and all stuff like that.
The order itsels outlines the general principles.