Are those Su-27SM newly produced or upgrade of existing ones? I think they could upgrade more than 12 Su-27SM in one year. How many will be upgraded this year?The value of the contract stands at $3 billion and will cover 48 Su-35BM fighter jets, 4 Su-30M2 fighter jets and 12 Su-27SM fighter jets. The Su-35BMs and Su-30M2s are being produced for the first time and their deliveries will continue through 2015, while the Su-27SM is an upgrade of the basic model Su-27.
I'm pretty confident the VVS has no interest whatsoever in paying top-dollar for new-build Su-27SMs. That's just crazy. They can upgrade more then 12 in one year, it's just that they're not willing to spend the money to do so.Originally Posted by medo
They could, but these 12 Su 27SM will be completely new airframes.
Can anyone explain what plane this is? I do know this is Su-27. It does kinda looks like BM, because of the tail. However, it isnt bort number 901/902. I doubt those two were repainted. And i haven't heard anything about russians completing third BM since 904 crash. So what is it? It can't be SM; they dont carry that camo, have slimlights, no pitot antenna or have the BM tail. I guees it is CG? Then it is the most convincing CG i have ever seen.
And to that tail picture: Those engines are not 3D, only MiG-29ovt have them. They are 2D. Picture name suggest it is MKI, but it isnt the standard camo cheme. Must be russian MKI prototype then. The engines doesn't actually move up and down, like on Su-37. Picture yourself Su-37 engines angeled 45 degrees inwards. That is how they move.
I bet my right arm that they are not new build frames. No point of doing that at all. Have you something to prove your clame? My argument is that the 48 operational SM's are ALL updated from the usual ol' Su-27. Not new frames.
The article is kinda suggesting to they are upgrades. Yes, i am aware of BM and Su-30M2 are upgrades of Su-27 beneath the skin, but not in same way as SM's.
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Maks-2009
The first pictures from MAKS-2009 airshow in Zhukovsky.
Full report+my impression in russian after teh first day: http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/217
International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2009,
18-th august, Zhukovsky, Moscow region
BUK-M2E airdefence system
Strategic bomber Tu-160 on the static display
An-124-100 Ruslan
Radio-location station Protivnik-GE
Static displays
Transport-loading vehicle for Tipchak UAV complex
IL-76MD-90
MiG-29SMT, indian MiG-29K and MiG-29SM tails
Sukhoi Superjet 100
A-50
Mi-28N
Yak-130
Su-35 engines
Fly-by for the government officials
An-22
Not true. The Su35BM has 3d all-round TVC. You are confusing it with the Original Su35 which had neither.
No, I don't. But common sense tells us why use airframes which are 15+ years old and spend millions on upgrading them. By your system, by the time they are done with modernization of the Su27, the airframes will be very old and worn down, so all this work and money for a whole lot of nothing. Unless of course the airframes are not Soviet, made out of composite materials and titanium, which will last a lot longer.
surely hope this isn't what they're doing.
This piece of **** should be posted in georgian army thread
It's CG model of Su-35BM. Promotional render or something.
Not true. The Su35BM has 3d all-round TVC. You are confusing it with the Original Su35 which had neither.
Su-35BM has a same TVC system as the Su-30MKI. 32 degree rotated Al-100 nozzles. It's a 2D system with 3D capability, if they works together in different directions. This system is simpiler than an all axes TVC sys, because the rotation points fit to the rear fuselage elements. The original version in the Su-37 has an own special engine bay for the horizontal join points.
The designers could leave this extra weight solution to a simplier one, because the 32 degree rotation of the fixing points produce an almost same 2D effect if it works together, and a quasi 3D if the nozzles works different or separately.
Opps, forgot about BM having 3d TVC. But that doesn't change the fact that the picture is not showing a 3D nozzle.
And my common sense tells me there is no point of adding A LOT of cost and build a whole new frame and engines. If they have updated 48 other Su-27's they will continue doing so. What is the point of buying all new SM when they buy new build BM's?
That is also what i was thinking. Because on every picture i have seen of those nozzles on BM, i have seen them beeing placed MKI style. But, i had to check his counter clame, and the broshure from KNAAPO says they are "All-axis thrust vector control" engines. I dunno, maybe i just havent seen enough good proof, or the BM's are not "true" BM's, kinda like MiG-35.
Well, that explains a lot. Extremely convincing CG. The lack of pilot is confusing tho.
Stop posting those photos you ****.
sorry il stop but its is a strictly photos and videos thread
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