BSOriginally Posted by MZKT
http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=19379
Vladimir Putin – If Russia Decides to Purchase French Helicopter Carrier It will be Used Wherever Deemed Necessary If Russia decides to purchase French helicopter carrier it will be used wherever deemed necessary. Russian news agency ‘Itar-tas’ reports that Primer of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin stated about it on the press conference held during his official visit to France. Russian news agency ‘Itar-tas’ reports that Primer of RF Vladimir Putin stated about it on the press conference held during his official visit to France.
On the question of French journalist, if Mistral would be used against Georgia, Putin answered: ‘I can assure you that if we purchase the armament, we’ll use it wherever deemed necessary.’
Russian news agencies inform that Russia plans to purchase a ‘Mistral’ type craft and four helicopter carriers. It will happen if France gives license to Russia and provide with technical aid.
If the deal takes place, French may sell helicopter carrier without armament and radar to Russia. Price of the helicopter carrier is from 400-500 mln. Euros. Russia will also get license to produce four vessels, what will increase the deal price by 1-1.2 milliard Euros.
Russian agencies write that Ukraine, Baltic states and Georgia expressed concern over the Russian-French deal.
Georgia’s Foreign Minister Grigol Vashadze stated that Georgia is deeply concerned over the presumable purchase by Russia as basement of such vessels can only be Black Sea.
Laliashvili explains that head of the Russian-marine fleet, Visotsky stated that if Russia had such crafts, black see fleet would accomplish its task during last year war against Georgia in 40 minutes and not in 26 hours.
According to one version, Russia needs the crafts for the security of the minerals gained at the continental shelf of the Arctic.
‘Mistral’ is a universal landing craft uniting functions of a helicopter carrier and a ship-doc.
Quoted for truth. I can only hope that things change quickly. It's becoming obvious to everybody that if things doesn't change quick, the Navy will be in serious trouble. Corruption and red tape in Russian ship building industry needs to be tackled head on.
Russians should adopt Chinese methods for dealing with corruption, namely the execution by firing squad for convicted officials. Too bad the Russian Supreme Court moved to prolong the moratorium on death penalty. In some cases it could prove to be an effective tool.
I completely agree.
The Project 11711 Ivan Gren is going to replace Russia's aging Polish built Project 775 fleet- its an LST, or Large Landing Ship (BDK) in the Russian classification system.
The Soviet Union never had a ship like Mistral. The closest was the ill-fated Project 1174 Ivan Rogov ships, and they were nowhere close to the Mistral in capability.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Friday's victims and families of the Russian train terrorist incident which caused many deaths and injuries on the 'Nevsky Express' from Moscow to St Pete.
Last edited by ACE844; 11-28-2009 at 09:11 PM.
Actually, NPKB developed a project similar to Mistral/Tarawa in the mid-80's, called Project 1178. It was never built, though.
As for Ivan Gren, the project number 1171.1 suggests it's a modification of the old 1171.0 Tapir BDK, but the images of it look nothing like Tapir. Compare
1171.1 Ivan Gren
1171.0 Tapir
We aren't out of woods yet, that is true. It is a down right miracle anything survived 90s and that it takes shipyards some time to build corvette as opposed to not having this capability at all (meaning: something gets pocketed as opposed to everything). Now, years of neglect towards military industrial complex in general couldn't have gone unnoticed, so in this particular case I have no reason not to believe that the purpose of the acquisition is in part to fill some R&D gaps, and neither do I have any reason to say that Russia doesn't need this kind of vessels - you are yet to provide a convincing argument against it, though in part this indeed has a political weight with implications possibly far more important and valuable than the vessels at this time. Your statements often spout great deal of healthy criticism, however it is just ridiculous to demand for everything to get back in shape in such a short period of time. The progress of the past decade has already surpassed my direst expectations.
Corruption is also not something to be eradicated overnight. It takes time and consistent approach. Unfortunately we are living in the world of instant gratification, which on its own will become a serious obstacle on the way of making this come true.
That region is covered in ice most of the year, so I doubt such vessels are of any value up there, though global warming proponents will argue northern cap's days are numbered...who knows
Last edited by Ebana Mat; 11-28-2009 at 11:28 PM.
Maybe they are thinking ahead)) Quite a pick for nickname btwThat region is covered in ice most of the year, so I doubt such vessels are of any value up there, though global warming proponents will argue northern cap's days are numbered...who knows
"Koozya" was another choiceMaybe they are thinking ahead)) Quite a pick for nickname btw
QFT. But I would like to add that such payments like these are kind of a way to show that shipyards will be forced to actually come out with hulls rather then sit and collect.
Even Poland is better. They laid down a 95m long corvette (Gawron class) back in 2001, and its still under construction. A total of 6 are planned. The second, has yet to start construction.
Turkey is a little better with their Milgem corvette project, first one was laid down in 2005, launched 2008, expected to enter service in 2010.
The second batch of 3 TALWAR class (4000T) frigates built for the Indian Navy at Yantar shipyard (Kaliningrad) are on time and on schedule (around 3 years).
Means that long delays do not occur if the financing is provided. It is not the ability of the shipyards or their know-how, it is the amount of money being provided to to them by the MoD that is making ships take so long to complete for the RuNavy.
Last edited by TheArmenian; 11-29-2009 at 02:31 AM.
What about the Admiral Gorshkov then? What's its reason for delay? Underestimating the amount of time it will take to finish it?
LST "Ivan Gren" actually will look like this:
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