Reply With QuoteI think this is a valid topic of conversation, but lets keep it out of the photos thread. There is a thread already in the General section dedicated to the topic of Popovkin's statements.Originally Posted by CaptMorgan68
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I think this is a valid topic of conversation, but lets keep it out of the photos thread. There is a thread already in the General section dedicated to the topic of Popovkin's statements.
just wait and see what will be shown this summer- this will be T-90M, and this is a new tankDo you suppose - I am not able to read? Well, read:
P.S. Amusing, true?
or yeah, like every single word said by officials is true or going to happenP.S.S. By the way - as far as I understood, you wanted to say that Mr. Sienko lied...
end of story
is that tochka(-u) launch?
Just something to think of:
If Russia's defense industry is falling apart, then they are not doing a good job at falling apart when they are second top exporters in the world. Not to mention that the manufacturing facilities are loaded with orders.
The point is that they're not falling apart (that's a point better left to khramchihins and fengelgauers), the point is that they've became too fat and happy in their monopolistic position, knowing that government historically always tried to create an autarchy in defence sector, and continue to squander their income, insteed of reinvesting it. And this have lead to the falling quality (due to ageing equipment and dissipating workforce), slipping development and production schedules and rising costs. So -- the threat of foreign purchases, spun by the alarmists into a tale of crumbling defence industry.
which defense companies exactly? Because I and others here will tell you that not all are the same. It is easy to claim the defense industries in general, but pointing out which ones are usually harder for most.
Armor, I believe, mostly. There were complains about rising costs (and even price fixing -- that is, that the plant sells basic models of tanks to the Russian army at the same price that it sells upgraded ones to the export customers) and insufficient production rates at UVZ, and armored cars leave enough to be desired -- soldiers do complain that BTRs and Tigr are very inconvenient to disembark, and, to add insult to the injury, the production of armor itself is insufficient, so there's a shortage of hulls for them... Shipbuilding is also in significant disarray -- generally due to the personnel issues, as most skilled workers left in 90'es, and Soviet blue-collar education system disintegrated, so the companies have to train their workers all by themselves, and so on. Not an unsurmountable problem, definitely, but there's a perceivable lack of will to do something about it on the part of business.
Found this interesting, does anyone else have an opinion about what this guy is saying?
He is from another forum, claims he has served in VDV for a couple of years and defense companies. He pretty much dislikes Russia's defense industries and pretty much states that the country cannot produce anything good. This quote above is his opinion on Burlak and BMP-3M.SATCOM... What is it going to communicate with, Haley's Comet?
The Glonass reciever in the BMD-4 is GPS/Glonass coordinate system. No map, no nothing. Sergeants who can afford it use the GPS on their mobiles or jack the ones out of their cars. We don't even have a chip plant yet that can mass produce them.
The radios Burlak gets are low data-rate digital radios replacing the old analogues. It still only has enough bandwidth for audio signals... nothing net-centric there. Really, you don't know how bad the electronics are.
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We are just getting into 1+ Mbit/s data-rates for tactical radios. France already has 43Mbit/s for tactical PR4G application, even dismounted, along with 11Mbit/s WIFI for each individual soldier at 3km. The Constellation command post only has 10 and that mounts in a large truck and requires two more vehicles, a generator and transmission. It is really just an ass-load of radios and receivers hooked together for microwave transmit. Our dive into net-centric warfare is really just to hide the fact we are just starting a network of secure digital communications. If you free up enough bandwidth you might be able to throw in data traffic from a handful of UAVs. And those two telecom satellites being built for us in Europe aren't even for the military but for "presidential communications and civilian application." So there won't be a net-centric system except in audio. Constellation has been tried and failed every time and it is damned ninties technology.
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Catherine FCs aren't going on modernised tanks, only on T-90 and most of those are for exports. BMP-3M has Vesna 2nd generation thermals. Burlak will get some 2nd generation Russian camera. We can't afford to outfit 4 thousand T-72 reserve tanks with Catherine FC, it would double their cost.
Nobody closed nothing. Delayed - yes. Answers in the General Discussion topic http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...rograms/page12
sepheronx: the guy talks about the existing Constellation. Designers received new specification and shoul present results this autum. However we don't know if the bandwidth issue will be solved. Constellation wil not get into service before these major issues will be solved. BMD-4 same thing the old one from 2004.
It is to early to talk about Burlak as R+D is not finished...
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-I would say that a Glonass coordinate system is better than nothing at all. It may not be as effective and comfortable as a real GPS based navigation and control system but its also a lot cheaper. Nothing worrying there IMO.
-That the digital communication and coordination field is one of the big trouble childs of the Russian army is well known. So what he writes there sounds rather reasonable and realistic. However I cant judge on the satellite situation, what satellites for digital data communication are planed?
- That the Russian army wont upgrade 4000 T72 with Catherine FC sounds also quite realistic. There are more important projects than upgrading the reserve....
would have thought. But this is from the same guy who thinks Russia should buy LeClerk cause he hates T-90's. Thinks they are far too crappy.
Of course, I never would have expected Russia to simply upgrade all T-72's. The other thing I also understand is the lacking of communication hardware (they already acknowledge this), but what about SATCOM systems?
As for his comments about Burlak, nobody even knows about it. So it is a moot point debating what will be in it, until we see it. Also, what about Glonass? I thought with it, you can get the location in terms of latitude and longitude, then it can process it onto an image through a built in computer in the system (receiver).
Think of GLONASS as of just another GPS -- the differences between them are entirely technical and largely inconsequential to the matter. The problem is, GPS is operational for almost two decades now, so everyone and their dog has a support for it, and you can obtain GPS receivers literally for the price of dirt, and the chips are tiny -- mainly because there was enough time to iron the designs out and shrink the dies. GLONASS, on the other hand, is a rather new system -- it started significantly later than GPS, and then the development hit a roadblock when the Soviet Union fell. The program eventually recovered, but it still has a complete coverage only over Russia, and will need a several more launches and at least a half dozen satellites more to achieve complete worldwide coverage. So the leading Taiwanese silicon developers seen little reason to invest int supporting it, which has left only domestic producers to design and manufacture the receivers and navigational equipment, and the Soviet/Russian electronic industry always was, ahem, problematic. Thus -- enormous size and the very basic functions of the very first GLONASS receivers, which were what all those complains are about. Now, luckily, the chips started to shrink, the third-party developers started to support the system, and the situation started to improve. But some people just want it all, and they want it NOW, and if they don't get it they start to b$%h around. ..
Wiki states that 21 of the 24 sats are opperational in GLONASS, and they need 24 for world wide coverage. As you mentioned though, there is still little development in the receiver end with manufacturers, and in time, they may indeed grow (India is supposedly going with GLONASS), and more companies may start investing in development of such receivers and software development will increase (providing the needs to build a battle management system).
So they got the eyes, but what about the ears? Raduga are COMSAT's, but what about the receivers for those?
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