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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronguild View Post
    Apache, has been deployed in Irak, A-stan, Sierra Leone, Lybia (from ship also) and by differents armed forces (USA, UK, Israel, Nederland). That's what I call a "combat proven" Helo.
    It's funny how USSR was thought of as a new Third Reich, and yet the last 20 years USA has started and conducted numerous wars. Classy.

    As for the KA-50, the situation in A-stan, Sierra Leone and Iraq when Apache was deployed was the same as situation in Chechnya when KA-50 was deployed, fighting against insurgents with a MANPAD here and there, so KA-50 doesn't have to be used in 3-4 wars of the same kind/intensity to prove itself as you say.

    Next level of comparison should be deployment in AA saturated warzones (Lybia isn't one such, sorry), then we shall see how both those helicopters perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    It's funny how USSR was thought of as a new Third Reich, and yet the last 20 years USA has started and conducted numerous wars. Classy.
    That's right, good analyse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    As for the KA-50, the situation in A-stan, Sierra Leone and Iraq when Apache was deployed was the same as situation in Chechnya when KA-50 was deployed, fighting against insurgents with a MANPAD here and there, so KA-50 doesn't have to be used in 3-4 wars of the same kind/intensity to prove itself as you say.

    Next level of comparison should be deployment in AA saturated warzones (Lybia isn't one such, sorry), then we shall see how both those helicopters perform.
    At the begining of OIF AH-64 have suffered heavy AA shooting (ZU-23, SA-16, DshKM, ZPU-4, ...), one at least has been downed.
    Furthermore AH-64 has a wider range of (field proven) sensors : Longbow radar, TADS PVNS, DATA LINK, ... and has been use in various tasks (Night Survey, Anti Armor strike, anti personnel straffing, urban warfare support).
    Some of these tasks are difficult to perform for a Ka-50 (one pilot), the Ka-52 is closer of the Apache, IMO.

    Sorry to be OT, don't want to chit-chat this thread.

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    Hmm...
    The KA-50 and KA-52 is very sexy... but the main attack helicopter army - MI-28...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronguild View Post
    That's right, good analyse.


    At the begining of OIF AH-64 have suffered heavy AA shooting (ZU-23, SA-16, DshKM, ZPU-4, ...), one at least has been downed.
    Furthermore AH-64 has a wider range of (field proven) sensors : Longbow radar, TADS PVNS, DATA LINK, ... and has been use in various tasks (Night Survey, Anti Armor strike, anti personnel straffing, urban warfare support).
    Some of these tasks are difficult to perform for a Ka-50 (one pilot), the Ka-52 is closer of the Apache, IMO.

    Sorry to be OT, don't want to chit-chat this thread.
    Also, don't forget that a Ka-50 crashed in 1998 in Torzhok (If my memory is still good), killing its pilot, General-mayor Vorobyov. Although the Ka-50 is a very good attack helicopter, this accident certainly proved that a crew of two is necessary (such as the Tigre or the Apache or the Gazelle).
    I personnally see the Ka-50 as a Ka-52 forerunner in terms of tactics and in operationnal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneaker53 View Post
    Does someone has informations about the true length of project 885 Yasen, namely the K-329 Severodvinsk currently fitting out?
    google earth show 138m (!) and thus significant longer than all official statements. Any explanations? Thanks in advance.


    Don't rely on Google Earth for lenghts. The tool is ok but not that precise. Pictures, most of the time, had a loss of shape during mapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryurik View Post
    Also, don't forget that a Ka-50 crashed in 1998 in Torzhok (If my memory is still good), killing its pilot, General-mayor Vorobyov. Although the Ka-50 is a very good attack helicopter, this accident certainly proved that a crew of two is necessary (such as the Tigre or the Apache or the Gazelle).
    I personnally see the Ka-50 as a Ka-52 forerunner in terms of tactics and in operationnal use.
    Not to forget that the KA-50 series took into account the lessons learned from the Afghan campaign would be nice to see it in action there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryurik View Post
    Also, don't forget that a Ka-50 crashed in 1998 in Torzhok (If my memory is still good), killing its pilot, General-mayor Vorobyov. Although the Ka-50 is a very good attack helicopter, this accident certainly proved that a crew of two is necessary (such as the Tigre or the Apache or the Gazelle).
    That accident proved that flight rules apply to all pilots, even acclaimed general-mayors.

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    9 February 2006 in Tukui-Mekteb village: Federal Forces Eliminated 11 Islamists(Some NSFW content)
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f75_1311113031
    Somewhat Graphic: Teen Chechen Islamist Killed by Russian Anti-Personnel Mine
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f0_1310537490
    Wow the bandits are so desperate they're recruiting idealistic teens, hope Federal Forces continue kicking their asses.
    Last edited by Hisroyalhighness; 07-24-2011 at 10:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az_esm View Post
    For example at least one the main chechen terrorist was eliminated by precision bomb guided to his mobile phone.
    Interesting..do you have source or link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogdriver View Post
    Interesting..do you have source or link?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokha...ath_and_legacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness View Post
    Somewhat Graphic: Teen Chechen Islamist Killed by Russian Anti-Personnel Mine
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f0_1310537490
    hey, I thought that mug looks familiar - seen some photos of that asswipe on the net before.
    Another one bites the dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness View Post
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogdriver View Post
    Interesting..do you have source or link?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev

    Dudayev was killed on April 21, 1996, by two laser-guided missiles when he was using a satellite phone, after his location was detected by a Russian reconnaissance aircraft, which intercepted his phone call.
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    Opps...Hisroyalhighness was faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannelig View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev



    Edit.

    Opps...Hisroyalhighness was faster
    I thought it was interesting because I interpreted that it was a missile guided by his mobile phone..

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    9K58 "Smerch" work out




    Quote Originally Posted by hogdriver View Post
    I thought it was interesting because I interpreted that it was a missile guided by his mobile phone..
    When I've heard this story long time ago I thought of it too. Glad to know that there were no actually any misterious know-hows there. Just good planned work.

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