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    Quote Originally Posted by elleby View Post
    I never said RPG shoots, simply shoots: from what I know the Era reacts also to multiple hits from small fire arms. So a volley of shoot from LMG or infantry squad with AK-47 can be dangerous even if it's not very accurate.
    That's not true. Besides that putting ERA on BMP is stupid and meaningless. BMD and BMP trunk is too thin for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elleby View Post
    I never said RPG shoots, simply shoots: from what I know the Era reacts also to multiple hits from small fire arms. So a volley of shoot from LMG or infantry squad with AK-47 can be dangerous even if it's not very accurate.


    Also I don't say nothing comparable to this. For me apply ERA in this way it's not the safest way, both for USA and Russian IFV.
    Well, sorry to tell you, but ERA doesn't detonate due to small firearms rounds, nor fragments of 20-30mm rounds. You need at least 20mm round for that.
    Neither it burns cause of incendiary rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    That's not true. Besides that putting ERA on BMP is stupid and meaningless. BMD and BMP trunk is too thin for it.
    BMP-3 and BMD-4 can hold it. Bradley holds it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitnikGr View Post
    BMP-3 and BMD-4 can hold it.
    Please find the Soviet research about it. WHY BMD and BMP aren't use reactive armor.

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    http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/185294.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    Please find the Soviet research about it. WHY BMD and BMP aren't use reactive armor.
    Well, first of all, you are referring to them with too broad term. BMD-4 is not BMD-1/2 and BMP-3 is not BMP-1/2.

    Russians offer BMP-3M version for export with ERA and Arena-E. If any buyer wants it, he can get it.

    Why Russian Army doesn't use ERA on BMP-3:
    - The first and main reason as always is a lack of funds after 90s.
    - ERA for BMP-3 weights 4.3 tons. Obviously the vehicle looses mobility characteristics and maybe even its amphibious capabilities. But that's not a problem in areas where they are not needed... see BMD-2D armor upgrade for Afghanistan, when the vehicle became heavier and couldn't swim any more.
    - BMD-4 wasn't even in service in serious numbers to consider installing ERA on it and again +4tons can deny air-drop capabilities from it. That's why I said, that it would be nice if Russians would come up with modular ERA.

    Bottom line: IFVs in class of 20-30tons can hold ERA detonation without ripping their own hulls. Bradley is an example in service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitnikGr View Post
    Well, first of all, you are referring to them with too broad term. BMD-4 is not BMD-1/2 and BMP-3 is not BMP-1/2.

    Russians offer BMP-3M version for export with ERA and Arena-E. If any buyer wants it, he can get it.

    Why Russian Army doesn't use ERA on BMP-3:
    - The first and main reason as always is a lack of funds after 90s.
    - ERA for BMP-3 weights 4.3 tons. Obviously the vehicle looses mobility characteristics and maybe even its amphibious capabilities. But that's not a problem in areas where they are not needed... see BMD-2D armor upgrade for Afghanistan, when the vehicle became heavier and couldn't swim any more.
    - BMD-4 wasn't even in service in serious numbers to consider installing ERA on it and again +4tons can deny air-drop capabilities from it. That's why I said, that it would be nice if Russians would come up with modular ERA.

    Bottom line: IFVs in class of 20-30tons can hold ERA detonation without ripping their own hulls. Bradley is an example in service.
    Sure, that's why reactive armor on such vehicles is [*******#333333]meaningless. It's better to build something like Israeli "Namer" then [/COLOR]cripple BMP and BMD for a totally different propouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    Sure, that's why reactive armor on such vehicles is [*******#333333]meaningless. It's better to build something like Israeli "Namer" then [/COLOR]cripple BMP and BMD for a totally different propouse.
    ... which also features ERA.
    Since when denial of penetration at least to old non-tandem warheads even with probability of 50% became meaningless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitnikGr View Post
    ... which also features ERA.
    Since when denial of penetration at least to old non-tandem warheads even with probability of 50% became meaningless?
    Since the same moment when BMP and BMD become a heavy IFV with additional 5 tones! In the same moment when they loose airborn/amphibious ability. Is that so hard to understand?? BMD and BMP have thin armor BECAUSE they SHOULD! For Christ's sake.

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    I dont know if repost.
    Awesome video about the Mig-31 of the 764 IAP in PERM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    Sure, that's why reactive armor on such vehicles is [*******#333333]meaningless. It's better to build something like Israeli "Namer" then [/COLOR]cripple BMP and BMD for a totally different propouse.
    I don't believe adding to either would be a "cripple", merely diminish some of it's advantages but it all depends on the situation, like Bitnik said being able to install ERA(airdropped separately) on BMD's in the field would be nice, especially since shortly after completing their first objective(attacking the rear or flank of an enemy) speed and maneuverability I would assume would become secondary to survivability.

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    Some KB Sokol UAV model that was shown to defense minister Shoigu



    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/08/sokol/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    Since the same moment when BMP and BMD become a heavy IFV with additional 5 tones! In the same moment when they loose airborn/amphibious ability. Is that so hard to understand?? BMD and BMP have thin armor BECAUSE they SHOULD! For Christ's sake.
    Again, you use term "BMP" in too broad way, which doesn't describe specific model.
    Armor of BMP-3 is not so thin as armor of BMP-1/2 and up to 25tons it can retain its amphibious capabilities.



    UAE amphibious trials of BMP-3 with add-on weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentKoba37 View Post
    Some KB Sokol UAV model that was shown to defense minister Shoigu



    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/08/sokol/
    they removed the photo...but i have a big photo)


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    Great. Thx . Konst you are just too fast even for FSB))

    Wonder if this is the 2t or the 5t UAV Sokol KB is suppose to be working on

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitnikGr View Post
    Again, you use term "BMP" in too broad way, which doesn't describe specific model.
    Armor of BMP-3 is not so thin as armor of BMP-1/2 and up to 25tons it can retain its amphibious capabilities.



    UAE amphibious trials of BMP-3 with add-on weight.
    after test.
    Great let's buy a more expensive coffin. It's a dead end. BMD should be still light armored vehicle with high firepower and we should create heavy IFV for urban warfare.
    Even Soviet morons recognized that it's a plane stupid.


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